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it didn't take long at all before I

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found myself pulling up underneath the

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craft I'm parking my car there's nine

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lights and a delta formation and it's

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just a pitch black craft a perfect

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equilateral triangle I'm sitting there

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and just you know and all

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what has happened in the midst of this

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evolution in recent years is that not

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only has the study of UFOs the topic of

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UFOs become something that's culturally

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acceptable but a lot of other people

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have come out into the open in the midst

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of that

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I think one we've been conditioned to

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believe that it's not true it's not real

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and the other one it's you know fear

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ridicule of losing their job friends

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family and it's just like they described

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in books and videos you know it's like a

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saucer this thing's huge and it's coming

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from the south it's kind of moving to

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the north and it's coming down as slowly

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as it goes and I remember my dad was on

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the couch right in the main room there

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and I will come up out of his sleep I

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said you will never believe what we saw

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it's lost now the wonder of it is

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completely lost it's become political

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nobody seems to be just going outside

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and looking up at the sky and that's

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where it all started

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I would be okay seeing it again I don't

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know if I'd be any closer to knowing

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what it was

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Oh nobody something just like

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this is somewhere in the skies the brain

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spread

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I have shed and Leggero and Seth

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Breedlove here with me today oh my god

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this is gonna be so much fun

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what's going on guys so full disclosure

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guys if if I get a little wild on this

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show it's because right before we

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started recording I ran across the

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street to the Sunoco and I grabbed two

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bottles of diet root beer oh you crazy

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man wreaking out on the show you know

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you know it's not me it's they end up

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you talking you guys have not lived

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until you have been in the car with Seth

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for hours and hours and hours and then

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you make a road a pit stop on the road

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and then he grabs all the the salty and

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the sugary treats you know that shit's

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about to go down every time we stop we

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had to get some road snacks man on this

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trip I feel like most of most of this

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road trip that we were most recently on

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involved everyone mocking my musical

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selection so it is slightly horrible I

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mean I'm just gonna go ahead and say

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that but I still love you it's okay when

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you drive you get to pick the music man

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you can't that's something every once in

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a while so I would kick on and weeds

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people sing too something to Shannon

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Shannon makes fun of my musical

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selection like like I'm like only

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listening to ballads and this went on

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for like the entire trip when I was out

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on the west coast and then she got to

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drive a car she gets in she puts it on

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she turns on her playlist and for the

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first like five songs were like August

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Stannah a word so it was alphabetical

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didn't get to the ours where Rob Zombie

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was or anthem you might be putting on

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sort of a harder exterior than is

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actually and then your playlist actually

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indicate a good mix of songs but when

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you are so emo and and guys I I feel

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really embarrassed cuz I'm so out of the

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emo thing that I didn't realize that it

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kind of is short for like

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emotional like mail kind of a thing you

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we laid playlists that there's so much

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that in there that you should just wear

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a diaper to catch your tears while

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you're driving so you just open the

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front so just can't cancel that I'm

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imagining

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Dashboard Confessional a lot of it's not

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it's not dashboard as much it's like

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get up kids to see a new phone glory

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this guy I saw so so I just told my wife

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the other day I saw a video popped up on

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on Facebook and it was the lead singer

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of New Found Glory are they wait is it

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New Found Glory that's touring with like

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unwritten law yes okay so yeah

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it was their lead singers and as soon as

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I saw it I said it was I've never felt

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so old so fast like I saw the saw the

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lead singers and I almost cried why are

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they how old are they because they're

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like mine and then you go to their

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concerts and it's like you know

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20-somethings and you're like oh boy

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what am I doing here yeah you got to get

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the lighter up in the air and just just

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own it man absolutely all right so I

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guess I'll ask a question I'll be

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somewhat professional here Seth can you

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give us the origin story of small town

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monsters I know you're probably sick of

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answering this question at this point

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but I know there's probably a lot of

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listeners happening right now on episode

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Wow could you tell us a little bit about

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small town monsters how it all came to

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be

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yeah I mean first of all congrats on on

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that many episodes that's crazy that's a

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that's a long period of time and you're

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you're busy dude with a lot of other

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stuff going on TV so that in itself is

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an accomplishment

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so yeah small town monsters began its

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life as a it was it was a book concept

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but it was like it was driven by my my

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absolute boredom from my medical billing

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job at the time so I had this medical

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billing job

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and I would sit there all day and listen

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to podcasts and stuff that were based

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around paranormal topics and I hit upon

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this idea of I guess like what I was

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trying to do was write about the

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cultural influence of rural monster

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cases on small communities where they

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took place and at the time I was writing

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for a newspaper called the masculine

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independent and I did a column called

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slice of life that was basically just me

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talking to independent business owners

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around a relatively small area and then

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sort of getting you know their insights

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on how they they ran their business and

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how how it affected the rest of their

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lives and stuff like that so I think it

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was driven more by that sort of like

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Graham level look at the reality of the

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cases rather than where we kind of are

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with the the series now it's just much

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more like cinematic and I think still

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still more focused on the people but at

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the time my entire focus was on the

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people so that's how I began its life

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was that a book proposal that I sent out

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to a bunch of different book publishers

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and they all rejected it and about a

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year passed and and we ended up making

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Minerva monster as a film which was one

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of the cases that were it was in the

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initial book proposal that I had sent

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out and then it just sort of took off

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from there but I mean it really hasn't

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changed that much since 2015 in terms of

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the fact that we are still just a

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completely independent production house

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and we we make independent features and

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we run a kick-started the beginning of

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the you helps sort of fund what we do

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throughout the year so we we've been

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around five years but we we kind of hit

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on a formula that we like in terms of

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how we run everything and that's just

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still how we run it yeah yeah I mean

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every time I go to Amazon Prime like one

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of your films pops up in like the top

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recommended things I don't know if

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that's because I you know this is my

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world and they know what I watch or

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every time I swear I go to any any of

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the the algorithms on Amazon one of your

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films is there man so I mean there's a

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lot to be said for

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starting from the ground up and just

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getting you know getting noticed across

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the world did you ever think you'd make

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it's funny cuz I think early on when we

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put out Minerva we were we were just

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happy with sort of screening stuff in in

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small area you know in small towns and

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like going the libraries and doing

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presentations and then things changed

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with like getting on Amazon and on some

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of these streaming platforms my dogs are

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about to start fighting so if you hear

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that in the background it's it's not the

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Mona and Bubbe trying to eat each other

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so so yeah I don't know I mean the

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answer is like it's crazy that they're

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that the audience is is global and that

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something like on the trail of Bigfoot

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comes out and has literally millions of

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views but at the same time I want the

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audience to get bigger I still just keep

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wanting to to get this stuff in front of

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as many people as we can and when we

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have something like Momo come out that

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that I'm really proud of and consider

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sort of an artistic or creative high

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point for us and it doesn't find an

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audience it's all the more painful for

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me because we put so much like I think

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that's what separates us from something

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like you know like some of the big

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network production houses the companies

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that like put out TV shows like ancient

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aliens or whatever you know like that's

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just a random thing but any any kind of

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like network those are giant corporation

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run production companies and there's

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hundreds if not thousands of people that

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are employed by them they you know they

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there's a certain level of this is just

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business to it whereas with us like

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every single production is so much is

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poured into it that when you have a

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project like Momo come out and not find

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an audience really it it's like a knife

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through your heart and it's on some

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level it has a lot to do with the

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business side of it and like because if

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we have a failure it's harder for us to

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continue surviving but it's more like

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with Momo

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it's more about we just wanted that

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movie to find an audience because we

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really think it's something special I

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still do like I had to run through it

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the other day because I was trying to

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grab production stills for something and

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um you know I was like skimming through

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it real quick and as I was doing it's

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like I really like this movie I hope I

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hope someday like it becomes some sort

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of like cult cult favorite or something

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like because you it's just it was an

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original approach I think to that story

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and I'm not Tooting my own horn I'm just

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really proud of all the work everyone

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did so as you should man mo mo was one

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of my favorites so far I remember

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reviewing it and I think you're right I

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think it is it's it's definitely one of

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your it's your unicorn you know it's

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that special one that I think yeah and

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it'll it'll get it today I have no doubt

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but you know kind of the real reason we

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have you here besides the inception of

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small town monsters is to talk about on

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the trail of UFOs so my obvious question

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next is what made you want to finally

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cover UFOs and and what was your

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approach with this project yeah I think

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in two thousand fifty thousand seventeen

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is when we hit on the idea for on the

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trail of and doing the sort of episodic

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series stuff and you know Alexander

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pedak off data on the trail of camp and

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and I really enjoyed his approach to it

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and I liked how scaled back it was and

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how much of a return to or the early

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days of STM it was where it was more

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about like the travel and the adventure

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side of the filmmaking and was about

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like let's make a crazy-looking movie

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you know it's just what we do now is

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like we approach everything really

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cinematically and methodically and and a

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film production is very different from

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on the trail of which Shannon kind of

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witnessed firsthand in LA when we were

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filming on the trail of UFOs and then it

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like midway through had to shoot two

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interviews one for the Mothman legacy

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and one for the mark of the belt which

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and it just everything changes it

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becomes very like

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how the lighting is set up and it takes

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like 30 minutes to get one light in the

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right position and all that kind of

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stuff it's just a very different vibe

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from on the trail of so I really want to

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made me stand on my head so that I could

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hold a light with my feet because it was

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at the perfect angle so I had to hold

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burn it still burns but it was worth it

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we got the shot

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yeah so so we did on the trail of

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Bigfoot which was the first on the trail

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of that I did and it was like all all

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filmed and shot by me other than maybe

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like a few points here and there where I

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was on camera and someone else would

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hold the camera and we while we were

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working on that we did something with

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Shannon we did a shoot with Shannon now

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my dogs knocking on the door get away we

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did we did a shoot with Shannon and we

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had a blast while we were doing it and I

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wanted to have a chance to to go you

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know do more of that to get back out in

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the woods and and have her involved

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because we had a lot of fun and we've

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known each other since 2014 when we we

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had met online before that up and in

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2014 we met on a town hall meeting for

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finding oh my god yeah that's how we met

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face to face so so we had a blast you in

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the Adams County thing for on the trail

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a Bigfoot and and then I also hated

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being on the camera and running the

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camera with on the trail of Bigfoot and

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I thought it'd be a perfect kind of

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opportunity to bring Shannon in and put

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her in as like our POV character and let

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her hog the screen so that's pretty much

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it yeah that kind of bleeds into my next

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question Shan how did you get involved

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and what was it like you know I'm sure

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you had seen someone sets work before

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that and talked on line but what was it

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like actually becoming like a member of

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the small town monsters family well and

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you you said the the exact proper word

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that I was used and it really is a

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family and we spend a lot of time with

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each other

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especially on this last shoot to where I

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mean if there was

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a kink in the armor it would really show

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up very quickly and I don't think that

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things would run as smoothly as they do

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and we really truly do love each other

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we have a blast and yeah everybody ribs

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the other one and you know we're

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dropping f-bombs and all you know like

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half the day I think we must go through

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about a hundred of those sorry everybody

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who is maybe slightly offended by that

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but it's just one of our things I don't

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know yeah properly and and I know that

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the line would be too but you know and

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and I know that this bug Seth but I

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always say it I still to this day one of

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my favorite productions of his is still

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Minerva monster I loved that film when I

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first saw it I I just I always told him

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I was like dude you're you're going

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places you just wait you know and it's

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like to the states like oh no that's

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that's the last one that you should be

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in love with you know it's a monster

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yeah yeah but you know to be invited to

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be such a big part especially for for

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this round for on the trail UFOs and and

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by the way on the trail book fit Bigfoot

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for me almost didn't even happen because

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I I was literally at the airport and I

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was going to board like an hour an hour

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and a half from from that time I get an

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alert on my phone that the alarm at my

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home is going off and I frantically am

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calling ADT and I'm like please just go

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over there and you know if nothing's

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wrong I'll shut it off and I'll get on

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this plane and and be on my merry way to

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go film this documentary and they're

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like well maybe you know that so I ended

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up leaving I'm missing my flight and

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long story short I was up for a really

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long time because I he said three booked

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me a flight and I was able to get out

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that night but the second I got in we

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hit the road so I don't know how I was

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still in a great mood but well actually

397
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I do know how is because this group of

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people to swing back to the original

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question they're amazing and I feel

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extremely blessed to to be a part of

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that family and we really really are

402
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though you know I didn't sleep

403
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because you flew you took a red-eye out

404
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but it wasn't like a typical red act

405
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because you got in it like 4:00 a.m. or

406
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something crazy yeah it was yeah you got

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into Cleveland and then we got back to

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my house then we all hopped in the car

409
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and drove to Adams County and then went

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out filming by the time you got into bed

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you'd been up for like 30 hours or

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something but it's so weird because when

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I think back on that if I was to do that

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right now from right now and you know

415
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add another added up to 36 hours I would

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be ripping heads off people and I would

417
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be the biggest [\h__\h] on the planet but I

418
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don't know there's something about just

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you know and also that you know you're

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you are working I mean you're taking it

421
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seriously obviously but I yeah I don't

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know I I was tired by the end of it I

423
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remember sitting at dinner going I may

424
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actually yak my dinner of I don't know I

425
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think we're sitting at the the Mexican

426
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restaurant they're like I think I need

427
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to go to sleep or something I don't know

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what's going but yeah it was still an

429
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amazing trip and I'm really glad that it

430
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worked out it for me to be there but it

431
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almost didn't that was kind of one of

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the the back stories that I think that a

433
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lot of people didn't know I think that

434
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maybe just a bird hit the window you

435
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know and dummy bird outside and the

436
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alarm went off and it Cynthia looked at

437
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my phone because nothing was was bro and

438
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it was also Christmas time so I'm

439
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thinking oh somebody broke in and all

440
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the Christmas presents you know all

441
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these things are going through your mind

442
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I'm like I'm so sorry said I got to go

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home and see what's going on these

444
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a-holes at ADT that I pay for not gonna

445
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go over and see if if anything is

446
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actually broken so yeah anyway long

447
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story short uh made it out and um and

448
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now the the on the trail UFOs is of

449
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course something that I am very proud to

450
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be a part of yeah I mean we all know she

451
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and you come sort of from the world of

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Bigfoot I mean this is where you got

453
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your start this is what most of your

454
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initial research started with so when

455
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Seth approached you discovered UFOs like

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what was that like did he have any

457
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trepidation or were you like all in from

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the beginning what was that like didn't

459
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we talk about I think we talked about it

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that weekend did the weekend you were

461
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actually up here for Adams County I

462
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think we were already talking about

463
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even that far in advance which actually

464
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wasn't that far in advance it was like a

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few months before we would have started

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shooting but I think I think we actually

467
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discussed it while while while she was

468
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here filming Bigfoot yeah because I

469
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remember you and he does say this a lot

470
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he's always like I I can't stand being

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on camera which I never understood I

472
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mean you know but everybody feels like

473
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that about your own voice or the way you

474
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look or you we're all like that but yeah

475
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but yeah we did talk about it and I was

476
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like of course I would love to do that I

477
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mean UFOs is not my wheelhouse in any

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way shape or form I'm terrible with like

479
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oh well this case happened on this date

480
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and this is the exact location of it and

481
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that's so not my strong suit but it's

482
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obviously something that I do like to

483
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cover on my show occasionally as well

484
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when it comes up of course so okay so

485
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with on the trail of UFOs guys Seth you

486
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have them you should have have this core

487
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group that you work with I know you

488
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bring people in and out of several

489
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different projects but could you maybe

490
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tell us a little about the crew on on

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the trail of UFOs before we get into the

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meat of the the actual journey um who is

493
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a part of this and who did your artwork

494
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I have to ask these posters and

495
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marketing images you guys have been

496
00:22:02,420 --> 00:21:58,970
cranking out are so cool so yeah I

497
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always like to get the creatives credit

498
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on these things are the the Forgotten

499
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people often who I don't get the credit

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they deserve this one was totally

501
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different from on the trail of Bigfoot

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because I'm like I'm like I said on the

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trail of Bigfoot it was really the crew

504
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was like a one-man crew and it was

505
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pretty much me and most of that was

506
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because of the way we were doing the

507
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shoot we're on the trail of Bigfoot cost

508
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less than $5,000 to making this with our

509
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poster budget most of that is because of

510
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the fact that I tacked on my shooting

511
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trips two trips I was already taking so

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if I was going to San Francisco to speak

513
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and show movies at bigfoot bonanza i

514
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tacked on an extra two days and went up

515
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into the mir woods and shot b-roll and

516
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interviewed loren coleman and whoever

517
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else i could find in san francisco

518
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that was willing to do an interview and

519
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that's how it was like I I would do an

520
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event and I would also tack on an

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interview and b-roll and that's how we

522
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got all the footage and that's how I got

523
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to so many different locations we

524
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actually hit more states with on the

525
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trail of Bigfoot than we did with on the

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trail of UFOs but that was the the the

527
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crew on that was non-existent and with

528
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on the trail of UFOs it was very

529
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different but the truth the the crew did

530
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change somewhat not change I guess like

531
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there were additions there weren't

532
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really any subtractions other than we

533
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lost Brandon for the East Coast leg of

534
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the trip so Jason yudice was who is

535
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normally our sound recordist with on the

536
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:39,050
trail of UFOs we didn't we didn't use a

537
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boom like once all the audio is actually

538
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:47,240
either in camera or lav mics so Jason

539
00:23:52,390 --> 00:23:48,770
was actually pretty much just like a

540
00:23:54,700 --> 00:23:52,400
secondary camera guy and held either a

541
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:54,710
handycam or I just hand him whatever and

542
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:56,960
he he'd shoot that's like a secondary

543
00:24:01,720 --> 00:23:59,360
camera Zach Paul Masson I was along for

544
00:24:04,140 --> 00:24:01,730
the East Coast Trek Brandon was there

545
00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:04,150
Shannon was there obviously Adam Dugan

546
00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:07,130
was a part of the East Coast Trek so was

547
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:11,600
alexander peskov and am i missing so

548
00:24:18,970 --> 00:24:15,050
much in trying to think i think much

549
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:18,980
yeah and everyone kind of added their

550
00:24:24,010 --> 00:24:21,650
own helped in some way i don't really

551
00:24:26,020 --> 00:24:24,020
know like unlike the movies i don't know

552
00:24:28,180 --> 00:24:26,030
what to credit people with because

553
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:28,190
people i mean this is an infographic

554
00:24:34,330 --> 00:24:32,090
in the opening credits it says Zach Seth

555
00:24:35,980 --> 00:24:34,340
and Jason when it's talking when it when

556
00:24:38,530 --> 00:24:35,990
it is giving the cinematographer you

557
00:24:41,530 --> 00:24:38,540
credit but the fact is like Zach Jason

558
00:24:42,810 --> 00:24:41,540
and I shot large chunks of the series

559
00:24:45,130 --> 00:24:42,820
but I think she hidden has

560
00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:45,140
cinematography in there as well like

561
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:48,080
stuff she's that made it in so did Adam

562
00:24:54,730 --> 00:24:50,690
so did Alex so everyone kind of did

563
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:54,740
something and and the crew was varied

564
00:24:59,890 --> 00:24:57,410
and changed a lot so it was very

565
00:25:02,740 --> 00:24:59,900
different from from the last project on

566
00:25:04,430 --> 00:25:02,750
the trail of as far as like the poster

567
00:25:07,070 --> 00:25:04,440
arts or poster art

568
00:25:09,020 --> 00:25:07,080
is done by Matt pepper who did on the

569
00:25:14,030 --> 00:25:09,030
trail of Bigfoot as well he just does

570
00:25:15,890 --> 00:25:14,040
like double exposure looking artistic I

571
00:25:19,310 --> 00:25:15,900
don't know they're like minimalist

572
00:25:21,770 --> 00:25:19,320
posters but I loved his style and it's

573
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:21,780
funny how I met Matt we were at Wizard

574
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:24,960
World back in 2015 which world Cleveland

575
00:25:30,860 --> 00:25:28,290
the the comic-con and um I saw his table

576
00:25:32,780 --> 00:25:30,870
but he wasn't at his table and I took

577
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:32,790
his business card and didn't contact him

578
00:25:36,830 --> 00:25:35,760
until 2018 when we were making Big Foot

579
00:25:40,430 --> 00:25:36,840
and that was the first time I spoke to

580
00:25:42,650 --> 00:25:40,440
him so it took a few years but but I had

581
00:25:43,940 --> 00:25:42,660
always followed him and really liked his

582
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:43,950
work and wanted to work with him at some

583
00:25:48,860 --> 00:25:46,290
point so he does the posters and then I

584
00:25:53,630 --> 00:25:48,870
have to give a ton of credit to Tamar

585
00:25:57,050 --> 00:25:53,640
Crandall for doing like 97 illustrations

586
00:26:00,650 --> 00:25:57,060
that are featured throughout the series

587
00:26:04,130 --> 00:26:00,660
he did an astronomical amount of work

588
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:04,140
between the first work he turned in was

589
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:06,720
in December so let that sink in because

590
00:26:12,890 --> 00:26:09,450
that means he did 90 plus pieces between

591
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:12,900
December and when we locked cut at the

592
00:26:17,780 --> 00:26:14,880
very end of January so it's like a

593
00:26:20,540 --> 00:26:17,790
full-time job yeah yeah he did he did

594
00:26:21,650 --> 00:26:20,550
boatloads of artwork and it it's I think

595
00:26:23,570 --> 00:26:21,660
it's fantastic

596
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:23,580
Burning Man yeah I've already yeah I've

597
00:26:27,410 --> 00:26:25,290
already brought him on to do more for

598
00:26:29,570 --> 00:26:27,420
for the Mothman project that were they

599
00:26:31,370 --> 00:26:29,580
on the trail of Lake Michigan Mothman

600
00:26:33,290 --> 00:26:31,380
project that were working on now - so

601
00:26:36,110 --> 00:26:33,300
he's yeah his work in there is great

602
00:26:38,510 --> 00:26:36,120
Santina vitally ended up doing a ton of

603
00:26:40,850 --> 00:26:38,520
effects work which was not part of the

604
00:26:42,740 --> 00:26:40,860
original plan this was you know on the

605
00:26:44,450 --> 00:26:42,750
trail of supposed to be scaled back it's

606
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:44,460
not supposed to have recreations and all

607
00:26:49,730 --> 00:26:45,810
that kind of stuff and then UFOs

608
00:26:52,670 --> 00:26:49,740
completely bucked the the system that I

609
00:26:54,290 --> 00:26:52,680
kind of had in place in my head for what

610
00:26:56,140 --> 00:26:54,300
things were gonna be like so Santino did

611
00:26:59,390 --> 00:26:56,150
a ton of effects workers but I mean

612
00:27:02,600 --> 00:26:59,400
episode 6 which is the mystery lights

613
00:27:06,890 --> 00:27:02,610
that episode has more effect shots in it

614
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:06,900
than all of then all of I think invasion

615
00:27:14,060 --> 00:27:10,290
on Chestnut Ridge but that 127 minute

616
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:14,070
episode is loaded with effect shots and

617
00:27:17,550 --> 00:27:16,530
and it's not all Santino I actually

618
00:27:19,980 --> 00:27:17,560
learned how to do

619
00:27:21,810 --> 00:27:19,990
effects work myself so I did I did

620
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:21,820
effect shots throughout the series too

621
00:27:26,190 --> 00:27:23,890
so um yeah I'm trying to think if

622
00:27:28,770 --> 00:27:26,200
there's anyone else that I need it well

623
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:28,780
um the sound sound design and sound

624
00:27:34,260 --> 00:27:32,170
editing on our last few movies and now

625
00:27:36,750 --> 00:27:34,270
this miniseries have been done by John

626
00:27:38,550 --> 00:27:36,760
Parfitt who he brought on board with

627
00:27:41,220 --> 00:27:38,560
Tara in the skies and he did a ton of

628
00:27:43,380 --> 00:27:41,230
work as you can imagine with this one

629
00:27:45,030 --> 00:27:43,390
especially when you see the although

630
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:45,040
like crazy quick cuts and stuff like

631
00:27:49,890 --> 00:27:47,530
that he's adding those camera those

632
00:27:51,300 --> 00:27:49,900
camera whirring noises and like when

633
00:27:53,550 --> 00:27:51,310
there's like the weird zooms and all

634
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:53,560
that that's all that's all John doing

635
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:55,930
all that work so so that stuff was

636
00:28:00,390 --> 00:27:57,610
John's and then then obviously the

637
00:28:03,180 --> 00:28:00,400
opening theme is is done by Brandon

638
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:03,190
Dayla who has now done that that's a

639
00:28:07,620 --> 00:28:05,890
variation on what we're calling me on

640
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:07,630
the trail of theme which is actually a

641
00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:10,690
song that was in the Beast of Whitehall

642
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:14,080
called in the valley he reworked it for

643
00:28:17,940 --> 00:28:15,970
for on the trail of Bigfoot now he

644
00:28:20,790 --> 00:28:17,950
reworked it again from the trail of UFOs

645
00:28:25,020 --> 00:28:20,800
so I love it we've got it on the trail

646
00:28:27,660 --> 00:28:25,030
theme song yeah alright well let's um

647
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:27,670
let's get to chapter 1 the UFO people

648
00:28:32,550 --> 00:28:30,730
I'd love to sort of cover each episode

649
00:28:34,020 --> 00:28:32,560
here with you guys I mean you know

650
00:28:36,540 --> 00:28:34,030
briefly we don't want to give away too

651
00:28:38,940 --> 00:28:36,550
much but um it sort of introduces us to

652
00:28:41,100 --> 00:28:38,950
the people in ufology and it brings us

653
00:28:44,250 --> 00:28:41,110
up to you know it brings us up-to-date

654
00:28:46,530 --> 00:28:44,260
on the big story that broke in 2017 near

655
00:28:47,970 --> 00:28:46,540
times blah blah blah if my audience

656
00:28:50,610 --> 00:28:47,980
doesn't know that by now they are not

657
00:28:53,790 --> 00:28:50,620
UFO people but yeah we got the secret

658
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:53,800
Pentagon UFO program and all that so um

659
00:28:58,410 --> 00:28:56,050
could you maybe tell us the both of you

660
00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:58,420
maybe a little about why you decided to

661
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:00,640
choose to begin the series this way and

662
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:02,650
maybe a little about why you chose the

663
00:29:06,570 --> 00:29:04,210
people you did to interview throughout

664
00:29:08,820 --> 00:29:06,580
the whole series Shannon can definitely

665
00:29:10,830 --> 00:29:08,830
talk about the interviews I I knew from

666
00:29:12,030 --> 00:29:10,840
the beginning this was the first episode

667
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:12,040
in fact like this was part of the

668
00:29:17,070 --> 00:29:15,130
initial episode layout it it's funny

669
00:29:20,130 --> 00:29:17,080
because this is typically where an SDM

670
00:29:21,150 --> 00:29:20,140
project would end especially you know

671
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:21,160
something like on the trailer the

672
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:23,410
Bigfoot was very chronological sort of

673
00:29:27,420 --> 00:29:25,120
begin with the past and brought us up to

674
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:27,430
the present I did not want to do that

675
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:29,410
with on the trail of UFOs I wanted it to

676
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:30,370
be sort of all over the place

677
00:29:33,450 --> 00:29:31,570
chronologic

678
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:33,460
it's about the phenomenon itself rather

679
00:29:38,820 --> 00:29:36,970
than the history as as sort of the I

680
00:29:40,380 --> 00:29:38,830
mean it's about the history but the

681
00:29:43,530 --> 00:29:40,390
history is interspersed with all this

682
00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:43,540
other stuff and and you know that the

683
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:46,240
history is gonna be dulled out as you're

684
00:29:51,030 --> 00:29:47,610
learning about how these different

685
00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:51,040
subtopics of the genres as we call it in

686
00:29:56,180 --> 00:29:53,440
one of the episodes so beginning with

687
00:29:59,010 --> 00:29:56,190
this was really important because our

688
00:30:01,050 --> 00:29:59,020
main audience the reason we exist the

689
00:30:03,390 --> 00:30:01,060
reason small-town monsters exist is our

690
00:30:07,260 --> 00:30:03,400
audience is a general audience

691
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:07,270
it's bigfooters our great UFO people are

692
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:10,210
great that is not the audience that is

693
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:12,130
watching our movies in the millions you

694
00:30:16,500 --> 00:30:14,050
know like it just doesn't that doesn't

695
00:30:19,500 --> 00:30:16,510
compute I don't think there's that many

696
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:19,510
people that are avid avidly into these

697
00:30:25,740 --> 00:30:23,250
topics so whenever we make anything our

698
00:30:27,570 --> 00:30:25,750
core that the audience that we are

699
00:30:29,610 --> 00:30:27,580
making stuff for is an audience who

700
00:30:31,970 --> 00:30:29,620
might not be aware of of a lot of the

701
00:30:34,590 --> 00:30:31,980
ins and outs of these topics so

702
00:30:36,990 --> 00:30:34,600
beginning with an episode that sort of

703
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:37,000
helped set the stage for ufology as

704
00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:39,970
today was super important and at the

705
00:30:46,020 --> 00:30:44,080
same time getting a really sort of

706
00:30:48,510 --> 00:30:46,030
intense personal story in the in the

707
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:48,520
form of danice's encounter was equally

708
00:30:51,540 --> 00:30:50,050
important because it helped establish

709
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:51,550
the tone of what we were going for

710
00:30:55,380 --> 00:30:52,930
throughout the rest of the series yeah

711
00:30:56,970 --> 00:30:55,390
and it sort of helped set the mission

712
00:30:58,500 --> 00:30:56,980
mission statement that we had from the

713
00:31:00,150 --> 00:30:58,510
beginning as well which was you know

714
00:31:02,010 --> 00:31:00,160
we're gonna put the focus back on the

715
00:31:04,110 --> 00:31:02,020
people that are involved in this so

716
00:31:05,850 --> 00:31:04,120
that's from a storytelling standpoint

717
00:31:09,330 --> 00:31:05,860
that was always this was always the

718
00:31:13,050 --> 00:31:09,340
opening episode as far as and as far as

719
00:31:16,860 --> 00:31:13,060
like the interviews go we went after

720
00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:16,870
people who were interesting from from a

721
00:31:22,260 --> 00:31:20,110
witness standpoint and we went after

722
00:31:26,430 --> 00:31:22,270
people who were skilled and

723
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:26,440
knowledgeable on on UFOs but a lot of

724
00:31:31,610 --> 00:31:28,930
that had had to do with Shannon because

725
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:31,620
Shannon said a lot of these uh-oh

726
00:31:36,660 --> 00:31:34,210
I'll throw it to you yeah what made you

727
00:31:38,790 --> 00:31:36,670
choose these people I mean as you know

728
00:31:40,980 --> 00:31:38,800
just a byproduct of doing a show like

729
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:40,990
this even if you're not heavy into UFOs

730
00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:44,250
you still know a lot of UFO people and

731
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:46,110
I was lucky enough to get a hold of a

732
00:31:49,130 --> 00:31:47,370
lot of these folks and they were on

733
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:49,140
board with talking to us and you know

734
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:52,850
we've we contacted and sat down and

735
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:56,130
covered everything from you know we've

736
00:31:59,960 --> 00:31:57,600
got a historian in there we've got a

737
00:32:03,080 --> 00:31:59,970
NASA engineer in there we've got plenty

738
00:32:05,810 --> 00:32:03,090
of experiences and witnesses of craft

739
00:32:07,100 --> 00:32:05,820
and you know even down to two beings and

740
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:07,110
things that they think that they've seen

741
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:08,850
an experience and their own homes and

742
00:32:14,450 --> 00:32:11,250
then even somebody that you know it

743
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:14,460
likes to execute the more the ce-5 kind

744
00:32:18,590 --> 00:32:15,840
of thing you know where you're going out

745
00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:18,600
and you're you've got almost this kind

746
00:32:23,060 --> 00:32:20,880
of a kadhai like a dance that they're

747
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:23,070
doing to try to call a craft in

748
00:32:29,020 --> 00:32:25,200
basically and you know that's the space

749
00:32:31,580 --> 00:32:29,030
that they live in so we had such a a

750
00:32:35,510 --> 00:32:31,590
cross-section and I love this word a

751
00:32:37,940 --> 00:32:35,520
dichotomy of different types of people

752
00:32:40,130 --> 00:32:37,950
that were I mean on completely different

753
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:40,140
ends of the spectrum and you know in

754
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:44,250
hindsight to take even this person and

755
00:32:48,290 --> 00:32:45,810
that person are these three people and

756
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:48,300
just to let them start to chat on camera

757
00:32:52,700 --> 00:32:50,850
would have been an amazing part of the

758
00:32:55,940 --> 00:32:52,710
series if that was logistical II

759
00:32:59,780 --> 00:32:55,950
possible to do but it is such a

760
00:33:01,370 --> 00:32:59,790
different cross-section in just just

761
00:33:04,150 --> 00:33:01,380
these these eight episodes

762
00:33:06,740 --> 00:33:04,160
it's very mind-blowing and it was very

763
00:33:10,010 --> 00:33:06,750
humbling for me to be a part of it to

764
00:33:11,690 --> 00:33:10,020
just to realize how different people are

765
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:11,700
but they're still kind of going after

766
00:33:15,140 --> 00:33:13,410
the same thing obviously it's they still

767
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:15,150
want to know they're still asking the

768
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:17,370
very same questions that no matter what

769
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:19,530
you believe that we all are yeah well

770
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:21,600
you bring up a good point Shannon you

771
00:33:26,150 --> 00:33:23,370
know full disclosure to the audience I I

772
00:33:27,950 --> 00:33:26,160
do make appearances in this series but

773
00:33:28,580 --> 00:33:27,960
when I was sitting there talking with

774
00:33:30,830 --> 00:33:28,590
you guys

775
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:30,840
I I felt like I was just rambling and

776
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:33,210
like nothing I said made sense none of

777
00:33:37,730 --> 00:33:35,760
it was chronological i I I left being

778
00:33:40,370 --> 00:33:37,740
like what the hell did I just say and

779
00:33:43,220 --> 00:33:40,380
then when you see the series in a

780
00:33:45,790 --> 00:33:43,230
context and this overall narrative that

781
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:45,800
you guys crafted about the UFO topic

782
00:33:50,810 --> 00:33:48,810
it's amazing when you can zoom out and

783
00:33:53,900 --> 00:33:50,820
see all these different perspectives put

784
00:33:56,750 --> 00:33:53,910
into one cohesive narrative you know

785
00:33:58,130 --> 00:33:56,760
maybe it's not as clean and neat as most

786
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:58,140
people want the UFO topic

787
00:34:02,780 --> 00:34:00,480
to be but that's just it it never is but

788
00:34:05,090 --> 00:34:02,790
it was really cool and refreshing to see

789
00:34:06,980 --> 00:34:05,100
so many different people talking about

790
00:34:09,500 --> 00:34:06,990
UFOs and even though we disagree on

791
00:34:11,210 --> 00:34:09,510
things the core elements were there and

792
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:11,220
we all had so much more in common than I

793
00:34:17,630 --> 00:34:15,450
ever thought we could you did you tell

794
00:34:19,370 --> 00:34:17,640
him did you tell him yet Seth how you

795
00:34:21,110 --> 00:34:19,380
feel about his interview oh yeah yeah I

796
00:34:23,060 --> 00:34:21,120
think I did what we were doing it but

797
00:34:25,580 --> 00:34:23,070
your interview is my favorite like I

798
00:34:27,350 --> 00:34:25,590
said this I think I said it while we

799
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:27,360
were there but that was the most relaxed

800
00:34:32,060 --> 00:34:29,970
I was during any of the interviews and

801
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:32,070
you know maybe it's because we kind of

802
00:34:35,540 --> 00:34:34,050
have known each I mean we we'd never met

803
00:34:38,930 --> 00:34:35,550
before but we'd known each other for a

804
00:34:41,389 --> 00:34:38,940
few years now you know I you know my

805
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:41,399
whole life yeah I mean it was just it

806
00:34:47,240 --> 00:34:45,210
was so it was so relaxed and and it came

807
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:47,250
at a really I said this on another show

808
00:34:52,100 --> 00:34:49,169
recently it came at a really necessary

809
00:34:53,990 --> 00:34:52,110
time for me because I was Shannon and I

810
00:34:55,970 --> 00:34:54,000
were both sick Shannon was getting

811
00:34:58,220 --> 00:34:55,980
sicker I was getting better by then but

812
00:35:00,860 --> 00:34:58,230
yeah because you started it and he was

813
00:35:09,170 --> 00:35:00,870
the host yeah he was over it all of us

814
00:35:12,170 --> 00:35:09,180
were like patient zero from like driving

815
00:35:14,510 --> 00:35:12,180
two days yeah doing all but all the

816
00:35:16,970 --> 00:35:14,520
filming the day before I was sort of

817
00:35:19,700 --> 00:35:16,980
stressed out and that interview like

818
00:35:21,410 --> 00:35:19,710
really put me at ease I had a very early

819
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:21,420
point in the trip where I still had a

820
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:23,370
lot of work ahead of me so it was like

821
00:35:28,700 --> 00:35:26,130
it was weirdly therapeutic in a way too

822
00:35:31,700 --> 00:35:28,710
because it was it reminded me of why I

823
00:35:33,350 --> 00:35:31,710
like doing interviews it just didn't it

824
00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:33,360
didn't have the formality of some of the

825
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:35,310
other ones that that we had done and

826
00:35:39,650 --> 00:35:37,920
we're about to do so now that was one of

827
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:39,660
my favorite if not my favorite interview

828
00:35:43,970 --> 00:35:42,690
on the entire shoot oh well that's good

829
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:43,980
to hear man and then I threw you to the

830
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:45,450
wolves in the middle of Times Square

831
00:35:50,750 --> 00:35:49,050
that was great that last yeah and that's

832
00:35:53,330 --> 00:35:50,760
some of my favorite footage in the

833
00:35:56,300 --> 00:35:53,340
entire series was following you guys

834
00:35:58,730 --> 00:35:56,310
around Times Square which is funny that

835
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:58,740
originally you know that the footage of

836
00:36:01,580 --> 00:36:00,240
you guys walking around was gonna be in

837
00:36:03,650 --> 00:36:01,590
the first episode and then I wanted to

838
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:03,660
use it in the sec second one and then

839
00:36:06,590 --> 00:36:05,040
third because it's like some of my

840
00:36:08,510 --> 00:36:06,600
favorite footage and then it ended up

841
00:36:10,340 --> 00:36:08,520
not making it in till the very end like

842
00:36:10,770 --> 00:36:10,350
till the beginning of episode 8 it

843
00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:10,780
finally

844
00:36:19,860 --> 00:36:15,730
yup Times Square no he's making its late

845
00:36:22,590 --> 00:36:19,870
entrance I guess in fashion ya know I

846
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:22,600
was so honored to be a part of this and

847
00:36:29,970 --> 00:36:27,520
I I just I love the way you did this it

848
00:36:32,610 --> 00:36:29,980
was it was so unique to what we usually

849
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:32,620
see in the UFO world these like you know

850
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:36,610
super slick documentaries that have the

851
00:36:41,790 --> 00:36:39,040
same damn people and I'm spouting the

852
00:36:44,070 --> 00:36:41,800
same stuff in an echo chamber but um

853
00:36:46,380 --> 00:36:44,080
that's not what we got here and what I

854
00:36:49,650 --> 00:36:46,390
loved is each sort of episode has its

855
00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:49,660
own facet to UFOs and I always tell

856
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:51,760
people you know the UFO topic can be

857
00:36:57,240 --> 00:36:54,490
viewed from every angle you can possibly

858
00:37:00,330 --> 00:36:57,250
think of whether it's history you know

859
00:37:03,210 --> 00:37:00,340
psychology biology anthropology

860
00:37:05,250 --> 00:37:03,220
psychology everything and that's why

861
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:05,260
that's what I've always loved about UFOs

862
00:37:10,110 --> 00:37:08,050
so when we get to UM chapter 2 the

863
00:37:13,290 --> 00:37:10,120
changing face this is where you kind of

864
00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:13,300
cover the craft themselves which you

865
00:37:16,980 --> 00:37:15,250
know is very is a nuts-and-bolts

866
00:37:19,530 --> 00:37:16,990
approach to ufology which a lot of the

867
00:37:22,830 --> 00:37:19,540
old school people seem to focus on a lot

868
00:37:24,690 --> 00:37:22,840
is the the evolution of the phenomenon

869
00:37:26,580 --> 00:37:24,700
or these crafts that people are seeing

870
00:37:30,090 --> 00:37:26,590
so yeah what was it like trying to

871
00:37:32,820 --> 00:37:30,100
really get across this point in in the

872
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:32,830
series of how UFOs have changed

873
00:37:37,710 --> 00:37:35,770
throughout thee I guess the decades it's

874
00:37:40,170 --> 00:37:37,720
funny my concern with this episode was

875
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:40,180
that people would find this super boring

876
00:37:46,590 --> 00:37:43,450
but but something like the airship waves

877
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:46,600
is one of my favorite aspects of ufology

878
00:37:50,970 --> 00:37:49,330
like it's that those airship waves have

879
00:37:52,980 --> 00:37:50,980
always been really fascinating to me and

880
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:52,990
Mark and I actually did like a I think

881
00:37:56,910 --> 00:37:54,880
we did two parts on Monstropolis that

882
00:38:00,690 --> 00:37:56,920
we're all about the airships earlier

883
00:38:04,110 --> 00:38:00,700
this year and um so so yeah it was

884
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:04,120
really important to establish what a UFO

885
00:38:09,570 --> 00:38:06,880
is for an audience as stupid as that

886
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:09,580
might sound but but for an audience that

887
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:11,530
is just coming into this that thinks of

888
00:38:16,410 --> 00:38:14,560
UFOs solely as being a flying saucer

889
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:16,420
like they've seen in movies from like

890
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:19,090
the 1940s because for a lot of people

891
00:38:22,890 --> 00:38:20,890
that's what a UFO is or it's just the

892
00:38:24,329 --> 00:38:22,900
tic-tac now because like that's a thing

893
00:38:25,979 --> 00:38:24,339
like people are just coming in

894
00:38:27,479 --> 00:38:25,989
to this because they saw the tic-tac

895
00:38:31,829 --> 00:38:27,489
video and they're interested because Tom

896
00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:31,839
DeLonge is into UFOs now and so I wanted

897
00:38:36,089 --> 00:38:33,609
to establish like right right out of the

898
00:38:39,209 --> 00:38:36,099
gate like the this is what a UFO is this

899
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:39,219
is you know like these these the the

900
00:38:43,229 --> 00:38:40,960
entire thing's been changing what they

901
00:38:45,420 --> 00:38:43,239
are is changing almost daily it seems

902
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:45,430
like but at the same time there are

903
00:38:51,420 --> 00:38:48,249
these waves of like particular types of

904
00:38:52,620 --> 00:38:51,430
craft so you know they're starting with

905
00:38:54,839 --> 00:38:52,630
the airships and then working our way to

906
00:38:57,959 --> 00:38:54,849
like the black triangles was was really

907
00:39:01,380 --> 00:38:57,969
fun and then it also gave me a chance to

908
00:39:03,989 --> 00:39:01,390
to start talking looking at how much we

909
00:39:05,729 --> 00:39:03,999
were gonna do and interestingly enough -

910
00:39:09,359 --> 00:39:05,739
episode 2 was actually edited before

911
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:09,369
episode 1 so that quick cut kind of

912
00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:12,729
style was established on episode 2

913
00:39:18,660 --> 00:39:16,089
rather than episode 1 we actually didn't

914
00:39:21,420 --> 00:39:18,670
we had not finished shooting episode 1

915
00:39:24,359 --> 00:39:21,430
because we had not done the Los Angeles

916
00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:24,369
trip yet and I was waiting on Greg

917
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:25,599
bishops interview because I knew that

918
00:39:29,459 --> 00:39:27,609
that was gonna be used in episode 1 so

919
00:39:31,650 --> 00:39:29,469
episode 2 was actually the first

920
00:39:33,509 --> 00:39:31,660
finished episode of on the trail of UFOs

921
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:33,519
and so that that ended up being the

922
00:39:38,549 --> 00:39:36,640
episode that established the style and

923
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:38,559
tone stylistically the entire series

924
00:39:43,979 --> 00:39:40,960
going forward but um it was really

925
00:39:46,469 --> 00:39:43,989
important to set up what a UFO is I

926
00:39:49,170 --> 00:39:46,479
don't know if Shannon wants to she was

927
00:39:50,459 --> 00:39:49,180
along for the blueprinting of all this -

928
00:39:53,249 --> 00:39:50,469
so she can talk about that something

929
00:39:55,859 --> 00:39:53,259
yeah do you have any truth no I mean you

930
00:39:57,479 --> 00:39:55,869
know Seth usually covers everything so

931
00:39:59,219 --> 00:39:57,489
beautifully and we found out on the last

932
00:40:02,039 --> 00:39:59,229
show that one of our answers is exactly

933
00:40:05,819 --> 00:40:02,049
the same for a very important question

934
00:40:07,769 --> 00:40:05,829
so no I think that see unlike unlike

935
00:40:09,809 --> 00:40:07,779
Seth though I think that the airships

936
00:40:13,739 --> 00:40:09,819
although they are very interesting I

937
00:40:15,539 --> 00:40:13,749
think for me the the old-school flying

938
00:40:18,209 --> 00:40:15,549
saucers the Kenneth Arnold the

939
00:40:20,700 --> 00:40:18,219
nuts-and-bolts I still just love that

940
00:40:22,799 --> 00:40:20,710
stuff so much and the idea that you know

941
00:40:24,749 --> 00:40:22,809
hopefully there are little gray men

942
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:24,759
flying these things I still have that

943
00:40:28,019 --> 00:40:26,410
romantic view of it of course it's not

944
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:28,029
so romantic to those that think they

945
00:40:33,809 --> 00:40:30,130
bust into their homes and stick things

946
00:40:36,660 --> 00:40:33,819
inside them but in that's not just

947
00:40:38,070 --> 00:40:36,670
saying you know it to be slight but I

948
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:38,080
still want that too

949
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:41,440
true I don't want to think that human

950
00:40:44,310 --> 00:40:42,730
beings although I know that we are

951
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:44,320
intelligent that we could actually

952
00:40:50,990 --> 00:40:47,410
create such things even way back then

953
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:51,000
that could make maneuvers like that so I

954
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:55,210
like the fact that also in this we do we

955
00:40:59,550 --> 00:40:57,370
talk about everything we cover

956
00:41:01,770 --> 00:40:59,560
everything we wanted to make sure that

957
00:41:03,780 --> 00:41:01,780
as said if you're just coming into this

958
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:03,790
and you want a good broad base of UFOs

959
00:41:07,950 --> 00:41:05,680
we made sure to do that for them

960
00:41:09,810 --> 00:41:07,960
I guess using Phoenix as the as the

961
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:09,820
bookend was kind of important to you

962
00:41:15,660 --> 00:41:11,770
because Phoenix is such an important

963
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:15,670
modern day yeah event and at the same

964
00:41:18,540 --> 00:41:16,810
time like I remember being really

965
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:18,550
paranoid I don't know if we talked this

966
00:41:24,270 --> 00:41:20,650
about this on the shoot I think we did I

967
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:24,280
think I was really paranoid about using

968
00:41:28,260 --> 00:41:25,690
Phoenix because of the fact that it

969
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:28,270
seems like it's so covered you know like

970
00:41:33,690 --> 00:41:31,090
it's been covered yes so much in popular

971
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:33,700
media and at the same time when I really

972
00:41:37,500 --> 00:41:36,010
yeah and and when I stepped back and

973
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:37,510
thought about I was like I really I

974
00:41:42,990 --> 00:41:40,570
actually don't know that it's as

975
00:41:45,180 --> 00:41:43,000
well-known as it should be to an

976
00:41:47,370 --> 00:41:45,190
audience that's just coming in to UFOs

977
00:41:49,470 --> 00:41:47,380
you know solely and maybe for for an

978
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:49,480
existent audience for the existent

979
00:41:54,750 --> 00:41:52,210
ufology people like you've got Ron or

980
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:54,760
year talking about seeing it on that

981
00:41:59,070 --> 00:41:57,490
radar coming out of area 51 or or

982
00:42:00,990 --> 00:41:59,080
whatever which I don't think was out

983
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:01,000
there before we did this so there's at

984
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:02,890
least something new in there that that

985
00:42:07,460 --> 00:42:05,200
like blew my mind when he said that cuz

986
00:42:10,050 --> 00:42:07,470
you know yeah we all have these um these

987
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:10,060
at least within the UFO community these

988
00:42:14,490 --> 00:42:12,490
romantic ideas of you know Phoenix

989
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:14,500
lights was this it was two events the

990
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:15,850
first was alien the second was a

991
00:42:20,250 --> 00:42:17,920
military cover-up but to hear someone

992
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:20,260
like Ron say that oh we saw that on

993
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:23,920
radar at 51 like then completely blew my

994
00:42:29,790 --> 00:42:27,010
mind yeah that was so cool okay so we we

995
00:42:32,250 --> 00:42:29,800
go from the craft to the places in

996
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:32,260
Chapter three know the places you will

997
00:42:35,370 --> 00:42:32,530
go

998
00:42:36,900 --> 00:42:35,380
this episode really really fascinated me

999
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:36,910
I put into perspective how important

1000
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:40,090
area and geography can actually be when

1001
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:42,490
researching UFOs and you covered stuff

1002
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:44,890
like the Hudson Valley or you know

1003
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:47,170
Pennsylvania or even Sedona Arizona

1004
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:49,570
which is said to be you know these big

1005
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:51,010
hot spots or

1006
00:42:55,890 --> 00:42:53,440
quote unquote window areas for UFOs so

1007
00:42:59,760 --> 00:42:55,900
what was it like exploring this aspect

1008
00:43:01,830 --> 00:42:59,770
of UFOs it's it was again like this was

1009
00:43:03,870 --> 00:43:01,840
like part of the initial breakdown for

1010
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:03,880
four episodes even before we'd filmed it

1011
00:43:09,300 --> 00:43:06,880
so we knew I knew I wanted to hit this I

1012
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:09,310
think I thought the episode would play

1013
00:43:12,810 --> 00:43:10,930
out a little differently than how it

1014
00:43:14,990 --> 00:43:12,820
ended up playing up but I like the I

1015
00:43:18,660 --> 00:43:15,000
like the layout of the episode and how

1016
00:43:20,820 --> 00:43:18,670
how it jumps from between these I think

1017
00:43:22,530 --> 00:43:20,830
it's three specific areas where it

1018
00:43:24,690 --> 00:43:22,540
really spends time but I mean there's

1019
00:43:26,700 --> 00:43:24,700
skinwalker ranch has talked about in

1020
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:26,710
this episode there's yeah there's a lot

1021
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:28,480
of different spots that are that are

1022
00:43:32,010 --> 00:43:29,920
mentioned but it was really important to

1023
00:43:34,700 --> 00:43:32,020
me because of Hudson Valley the Hudson

1024
00:43:39,060 --> 00:43:34,710
Valley stuff is some of my favorite UFO

1025
00:43:40,350 --> 00:43:39,070
wave you know that it's so amazing

1026
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:40,360
because there were so many people

1027
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:43,440
involved and it seems like it's so

1028
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:45,850
underrepresented these days like people

1029
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:48,010
don't talk about it as much as they they

1030
00:43:54,030 --> 00:43:51,490
once did and I always loved this because

1031
00:43:55,980 --> 00:43:54,040
of that unsolved mysteries episode that

1032
00:43:58,440 --> 00:43:55,990
that they were they did the amazing

1033
00:44:01,350 --> 00:43:58,450
recreation of like the black triangle

1034
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:01,360
going over the dudes house in like some

1035
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:03,370
suburban neighborhood in the Hudson

1036
00:44:08,220 --> 00:44:06,730
Valley and I I'm obsessed with the

1037
00:44:09,630 --> 00:44:08,230
Hudson Valley we're actually talking

1038
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:09,640
about like going back on another

1039
00:44:12,660 --> 00:44:11,410
vacation because we actually went to the

1040
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:12,670
Hudson Valley as like a family vacation

1041
00:44:17,220 --> 00:44:15,280
last year and um we're talking about

1042
00:44:20,370 --> 00:44:17,230
doing it again because I just I love the

1043
00:44:23,460 --> 00:44:20,380
area and I love how New England II it

1044
00:44:25,260 --> 00:44:23,470
feels but it still feels completely

1045
00:44:28,020 --> 00:44:25,270
different and feels like I don't know

1046
00:44:29,790 --> 00:44:28,030
what it is about that area but I mean

1047
00:44:31,290 --> 00:44:29,800
Ryan you're close to that area so I'm

1048
00:44:33,630 --> 00:44:31,300
sure you know what I mean it just feels

1049
00:44:35,100 --> 00:44:33,640
it feels otherworldly or something

1050
00:44:37,380 --> 00:44:35,110
there's something about it I really like

1051
00:44:39,810 --> 00:44:37,390
absolutely it's just there's something

1052
00:44:41,610 --> 00:44:39,820
magnetic about it I mean yeah you know

1053
00:44:43,710 --> 00:44:41,620
growing up in upstate New York like

1054
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:43,720
you'd be surprised I actually never

1055
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:44,890
really made it to the Hudson Valley

1056
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:47,440
until I moved to New York City and it

1057
00:44:52,350 --> 00:44:50,170
took moving to this crazy City to like

1058
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:52,360
you know start exploring my state

1059
00:44:55,890 --> 00:44:53,290
overall

1060
00:44:58,560 --> 00:44:55,900
and then you know yeah just going to

1061
00:45:01,470 --> 00:44:58,570
these areas where you hear that this UFO

1062
00:45:04,270 --> 00:45:01,480
wave happen not even it might not even

1063
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:04,280
be the UFOs themselves but it's the Lord

1064
00:45:09,370 --> 00:45:06,290
find it when you boot into these place

1065
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:09,380
yes and you start it's it is it's

1066
00:45:14,650 --> 00:45:12,170
magical it is and and this is also kind

1067
00:45:16,690 --> 00:45:14,660
of like fur I think for me for the East

1068
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:16,700
Coast trip this was the first time it

1069
00:45:22,390 --> 00:45:20,210
felt like we were really this episode

1070
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:22,400
something we filmed for this episode is

1071
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:24,800
where when it I first felt like we were

1072
00:45:29,500 --> 00:45:27,440
really doing it on the trail of series

1073
00:45:32,290 --> 00:45:29,510
was when we did the Kecksburg stuff

1074
00:45:34,660 --> 00:45:32,300
because it was if it was a callback it

1075
00:45:36,130 --> 00:45:34,670
just felt like I was back on on the

1076
00:45:37,990 --> 00:45:36,140
trail of Bigfoot because we were out in

1077
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:38,000
the dark and Stan Gordon's there and

1078
00:45:42,430 --> 00:45:40,490
we're looking at lights in the sky where

1079
00:45:46,690 --> 00:45:42,440
it's painfully obvious they're airplanes

1080
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:46,700
but nonetheless yeah it didn't matter we

1081
00:45:51,730 --> 00:45:50,000
were yeah and and I just I wanted to do

1082
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:51,740
an episode two that really set up that

1083
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:54,410
idea of window areas hot spots flaps you

1084
00:45:58,420 --> 00:45:56,810
know like stuff like that and again like

1085
00:46:01,510 --> 00:45:58,430
there's a there's a big importance to

1086
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:01,520
the overall that's a huge piece of the

1087
00:46:07,150 --> 00:46:04,250
overall puzzle also another piece of our

1088
00:46:08,890 --> 00:46:07,160
puzzle in Pennsylvania at the Chestnut

1089
00:46:12,610 --> 00:46:08,900
Ridge was we stayed at a house that we

1090
00:46:14,590 --> 00:46:12,620
actually had Moe's there on property

1091
00:46:18,190 --> 00:46:14,600
like staying in a smaller house off of

1092
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:18,200
her house but Seth and I and Adam we go

1093
00:46:23,380 --> 00:46:19,970
walking up the hill to get a little

1094
00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:23,390
night shots and this and that and dude

1095
00:46:32,470 --> 00:46:30,560
just runs out of our basement there was

1096
00:46:39,630 --> 00:46:32,480
a man on site who came out of our

1097
00:46:43,750 --> 00:46:42,160
no it wasn't just him it was like him

1098
00:46:45,010 --> 00:46:43,760
and his wife and there was someone else

1099
00:46:47,620 --> 00:46:45,020
to you they were taking like a mattress

1100
00:46:50,290 --> 00:46:47,630
out the second time we saw this place

1101
00:46:52,180 --> 00:46:50,300
had a killed room like index kiddin

1102
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:52,190
there was a damn kill room in the back

1103
00:46:56,590 --> 00:46:53,690
with you know then you get two sawhorses

1104
00:46:58,750 --> 00:46:56,600
with the plastic all over the yeah and

1105
00:47:01,420 --> 00:46:58,760
there were other things that happen at

1106
00:47:06,340 --> 00:47:01,430
that that house that I put them yeah

1107
00:47:09,210 --> 00:47:06,350
some people at like 5:00 a.m.

1108
00:47:12,220 --> 00:47:09,220
might have been earlier I woke up and

1109
00:47:14,620 --> 00:47:12,230
very clearly heard someone walk up the

1110
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:14,630
back porch cuz this is an old house and

1111
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:17,010
probably probably built in the 1800s

1112
00:47:21,140 --> 00:47:19,680
actually it was older than that isn't it

1113
00:47:22,460 --> 00:47:21,150
Shana didn't we find something that said

1114
00:47:25,490 --> 00:47:22,470
it was like the oldest house in the

1115
00:47:27,350 --> 00:47:25,500
state or something it was insane yeah

1116
00:47:30,790 --> 00:47:27,360
and it had like this logbook and people

1117
00:47:38,300 --> 00:47:36,380
yeah so so yeah 5:00 a.m. I let me let

1118
00:47:40,190 --> 00:47:38,310
me set this this part up because this is

1119
00:47:42,860 --> 00:47:40,200
funny so the way the house is laid out

1120
00:47:47,150 --> 00:47:42,870
is is that the bedrooms are all upstairs

1121
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:47,160
and but there's there's two sleeping

1122
00:47:52,310 --> 00:47:50,010
areas so one one sleeping area is a

1123
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:52,320
bedroom they have to go up this creepy

1124
00:47:57,470 --> 00:47:54,480
flight of steps that's insanely narrow

1125
00:48:01,130 --> 00:47:57,480
and tall and you go up and there's one

1126
00:48:04,820 --> 00:48:01,140
bed and that was where Shannon slept but

1127
00:48:06,980 --> 00:48:04,830
yeah isolated section of the house and

1128
00:48:10,730 --> 00:48:06,990
then in the other section of the house

1129
00:48:13,460 --> 00:48:10,740
is two bedrooms and then like an open

1130
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:13,470
area with two beds in it and that's all

1131
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:15,810
in one small tiny area and that's where

1132
00:48:24,590 --> 00:48:20,880
all the men were sleeping so safely it

1133
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:24,600
our our little like hut or whatever on

1134
00:48:32,740 --> 00:48:27,650
one end and then Shannon's in another

1135
00:48:40,460 --> 00:48:37,190
it's like 5:00 a.m. I wake up and I hear

1136
00:48:41,390 --> 00:48:40,470
footsteps come up our back porch the

1137
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:41,400
deck of the house

1138
00:48:47,060 --> 00:48:44,130
I hear the back door open I hear the

1139
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:47,070
back door the the screen door open

1140
00:48:50,270 --> 00:48:48,690
I hear the back door open I hear the

1141
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:50,280
screen door closed I hear the back door

1142
00:48:55,310 --> 00:48:52,410
closed I hear footsteps come through our

1143
00:48:57,230 --> 00:48:55,320
kitchen and go what into what sounded

1144
00:48:59,600 --> 00:48:57,240
like the living room I'm out of bed

1145
00:49:01,010 --> 00:48:59,610
immediately because we have thousands of

1146
00:49:04,190 --> 00:49:01,020
dollars worth of equipment sitting

1147
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:04,200
downstairs I out of bed immediately I

1148
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:06,000
get Adam Adams out of bed

1149
00:49:09,470 --> 00:49:08,160
we run downstairs there's no one there's

1150
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:09,480
no one in the bay there's no one

1151
00:49:13,700 --> 00:49:11,970
downstairs we go we check the door the

1152
00:49:14,410 --> 00:49:13,710
doors are all locked there's no one in

1153
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:14,420
the kitchen

1154
00:49:19,610 --> 00:49:16,800
the the basement door you can't really

1155
00:49:21,380 --> 00:49:19,620
access through there so I don't know

1156
00:49:23,180 --> 00:49:21,390
what I heard but I very clearly heard

1157
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:23,190
someone walking because you weren't even

1158
00:49:27,290 --> 00:49:25,680
asleep right you were always waiting at

1159
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:27,300
that point this is not like you dreamed

1160
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:30,090
this and then you went downstairs yeah

1161
00:49:34,730 --> 00:49:32,130
I really don't sleep very well on a

1162
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:34,740
shoot which is probably why I have

1163
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:36,000
migraine it's pretty much the entire

1164
00:49:40,430 --> 00:49:38,370
time we're filming but um yeah I hadn't

1165
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:40,440
I was wide awake at that point so I was

1166
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:42,000
just laying there waiting to get up so I

1167
00:49:45,860 --> 00:49:44,130
could go film and we could head to New

1168
00:49:47,450 --> 00:49:45,870
York City because later that day Ryan

1169
00:49:54,020 --> 00:49:47,460
was actually when we interviewed you

1170
00:49:55,460 --> 00:49:54,030
know yeah so so we were we were I don't

1171
00:49:58,730 --> 00:49:55,470
know what it was but that house was

1172
00:50:00,890 --> 00:49:58,740
haunted as hell yeah and the logbook

1173
00:50:07,010 --> 00:50:00,900
actually did mention that in in various

1174
00:50:10,220 --> 00:50:07,020
places several places you went looking

1175
00:50:13,940 --> 00:50:10,230
for UFOs and you found a ghost way to go

1176
00:50:16,130 --> 00:50:13,950
also as a knack for finding Airbnb is

1177
00:50:18,170 --> 00:50:16,140
that only have one bathroom like and

1178
00:50:19,580 --> 00:50:18,180
that's down in like the common area so

1179
00:50:22,220 --> 00:50:19,590
nobody felt like they could take a

1180
00:50:23,660 --> 00:50:22,230
proper poop like the entire you know

1181
00:50:25,940 --> 00:50:23,670
even that New York

1182
00:50:28,070 --> 00:50:25,950
Airbnb where you got interviewed the

1183
00:50:29,930 --> 00:50:28,080
bathrooms like right in the line yeah

1184
00:50:31,700 --> 00:50:29,940
you know what the best thing about that

1185
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:31,710
was I woke up from my nap right before

1186
00:50:35,330 --> 00:50:33,330
Ryan got there and there was no one in

1187
00:50:37,370 --> 00:50:35,340
that house you guys had all left me I

1188
00:50:39,350 --> 00:50:37,380
think I took a nap before prior to

1189
00:50:40,670 --> 00:50:39,360
Ryan's rival I woke up everyone's gone

1190
00:50:45,410 --> 00:50:40,680
I'm like I got this whole place to

1191
00:50:46,820 --> 00:50:45,420
myself see this is the inside scoop the

1192
00:50:51,410 --> 00:50:46,830
things that people don't get to hear

1193
00:50:53,780 --> 00:50:51,420
about your the the term proper poop on

1194
00:51:00,700 --> 00:50:53,790
this episode hi guys that might have to

1195
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:04,880
okay so we move from window areas to

1196
00:51:10,580 --> 00:51:07,920
locations to on the tricksters I love

1197
00:51:12,290 --> 00:51:10,590
the title of this episode and this is

1198
00:51:15,410 --> 00:51:12,300
where you start digging into what could

1199
00:51:18,350 --> 00:51:15,420
be behind the UFOs in terms of in

1200
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:18,360
intelligence or or what it is so you got

1201
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:20,610
a lot of you got a wide spectrum of

1202
00:51:24,980 --> 00:51:22,410
opinions and theories on this from the

1203
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:24,990
the people you interviewed so what did

1204
00:51:28,940 --> 00:51:26,640
you both make of what you discovered in

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00:51:33,450 --> 00:51:28,950
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1223
00:52:21,610 --> 00:52:19,460
mean I already told you I wanted it to

1224
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:21,620
be the greys so yeah you know but I

1225
00:52:25,180 --> 00:52:23,690
think at this point unfortunately sorry

1226
00:52:27,100 --> 00:52:25,190
to jump inside but just real quick I

1227
00:52:28,750 --> 00:52:27,110
have a quick answer I think a lot of the

1228
00:52:32,860 --> 00:52:28,760
stuff that we're seeing especially now

1229
00:52:34,930 --> 00:52:32,870
is in fact us but in fact uh my

1230
00:52:37,090 --> 00:52:34,940
step-brother Shaun Kevin Jason you know

1231
00:52:39,940 --> 00:52:37,100
him very well Ryan you know he's

1232
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:39,950
admitted that the triangle craft that he

1233
00:52:43,690 --> 00:52:41,450
saw he really feels like that was

1234
00:52:45,790 --> 00:52:43,700
piloted by people now where the tech

1235
00:52:47,980 --> 00:52:45,800
came from a course that's a whole round

1236
00:52:49,180 --> 00:52:47,990
about chasing the tail answered you know

1237
00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:49,190
did it come from

1238
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:50,720
the greys or something else or something

1239
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:53,090
off planet but I mean of course I want

1240
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:55,490
it to be something et I think that would

1241
00:52:58,030 --> 00:52:56,240
be amazing

1242
00:53:00,660 --> 00:52:58,040
yeah what do you think what do I

1243
00:53:04,710 --> 00:53:00,670
personally think I have no idea but the

1244
00:53:09,550 --> 00:53:04,720
that's the answer I was looking for but

1245
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:09,560
the the episode is one thing I can say

1246
00:53:12,970 --> 00:53:11,690
about this episode I'm not these haven't

1247
00:53:15,220 --> 00:53:12,980
come out yet so I'm supposed to really

1248
00:53:16,780 --> 00:53:15,230
be selling these so everyone watch it

1249
00:53:25,930 --> 00:53:16,790
this episodes great it's my least

1250
00:53:28,210 --> 00:53:25,940
favorite it's not it's not because I

1251
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:28,220
think the episodes solid I think we I

1252
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:31,370
like the fact that we we have a native

1253
00:53:36,730 --> 00:53:33,680
perspective in it I like the fact that

1254
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:36,740
you kind of get a broad spectrum of

1255
00:53:41,710 --> 00:53:39,370
different opinions on what is going on

1256
00:53:43,420 --> 00:53:41,720
so it's it has nothing to do with the

1257
00:53:45,940 --> 00:53:43,430
content of the episode I just kind of

1258
00:53:47,110 --> 00:53:45,950
find this aspect of the whole thing

1259
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:47,120
boring well

1260
00:53:53,500 --> 00:53:50,330
like honestly I I don't think we know

1261
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:53,510
what is piloting the UFOs and I don't

1262
00:53:58,060 --> 00:53:55,970
think we know if some of them are being

1263
00:54:00,330 --> 00:53:58,070
piloted by anything and I you know like

1264
00:54:04,090 --> 00:54:00,340
it's just such a as weird as that seems

1265
00:54:07,090 --> 00:54:04,100
that is not like the topic of all of

1266
00:54:10,530 --> 00:54:07,100
this that really draws me in and also

1267
00:54:13,930 --> 00:54:10,540
like I didn't this this episode was was

1268
00:54:16,030 --> 00:54:13,940
mostly edited by Luke Luke Gul so this

1269
00:54:18,940 --> 00:54:16,040
was the episode where episode 3 and it

1270
00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:18,950
was where I had an assistant editor my

1271
00:54:24,070 --> 00:54:21,680
friend Luke gall and he he did a lot of

1272
00:54:31,390 --> 00:54:24,080
the editing on this one but um that has

1273
00:54:33,820 --> 00:54:31,400
nothing to do with why it's not it

1274
00:54:36,460 --> 00:54:33,830
honestly just comes down to to the topic

1275
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:36,470
not being my favorite favorite aspect

1276
00:54:40,780 --> 00:54:37,970
out of any evident what those draw you

1277
00:54:42,970 --> 00:54:40,790
in well see like what draws me in and

1278
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:42,980
what my favorite episode or whatever are

1279
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:46,130
completely direct itself what draws you

1280
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:48,170
in the most well the mystery light thing

1281
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:50,090
is my favorite and I don't know if

1282
00:54:54,190 --> 00:54:51,890
that's again I don't know if you can

1283
00:54:56,170 --> 00:54:54,200
include that as UFOs so it's not that

1284
00:54:58,330 --> 00:54:56,180
it's probably gonna be it's probably

1285
00:55:06,190 --> 00:54:58,340
gonna be my typical answer of like the

1286
00:55:08,260 --> 00:55:06,200
historical the early like 1940s is my

1287
00:55:11,530 --> 00:55:08,270
favorite era of you follow or the late

1288
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:11,540
1940s my favorite you follow G and so

1289
00:55:16,210 --> 00:55:13,370
like it's it's that stuff it's the Cold

1290
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:16,220
War era I mean it ramped up so much in

1291
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:18,650
the 40s and 50s that the you know the

1292
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:20,930
the government got involved that you

1293
00:55:26,410 --> 00:55:23,330
know Project Blue Book and all that good

1294
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:26,420
stuff so no it makes complete sense one

1295
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:28,490
thing I do have to say I adore about

1296
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:30,890
this episode is the opening and the

1297
00:55:37,930 --> 00:55:33,890
bookends I I love that it opens with

1298
00:55:39,490 --> 00:55:37,940
Exeter I love Exeter I loved that Joe

1299
00:55:43,180 --> 00:55:39,500
Hill lived there and I didn't know it

1300
00:55:46,420 --> 00:55:43,190
until after we were there and I just

1301
00:55:49,150 --> 00:55:46,430
loved I loved the stuff with Shannon on

1302
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:49,160
the beach at the end walking because

1303
00:55:54,580 --> 00:55:52,160
that that sunset was unfreaking

1304
00:55:59,110 --> 00:55:54,590
believable and we took so much footage

1305
00:56:00,890 --> 00:55:59,120
of us it was amazing yeah and and I just

1306
00:56:04,250 --> 00:56:00,900
like the way all that came together

1307
00:56:06,890 --> 00:56:04,260
with her in inland location in Exeter

1308
00:56:08,990 --> 00:56:06,900
kind of talking to to the people all of

1309
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:09,000
us really talking to the people about

1310
00:56:12,740 --> 00:56:10,770
you know like where where the actual

1311
00:56:14,750 --> 00:56:12,750
Exeter event happened it's a different

1312
00:56:17,660 --> 00:56:14,760
opening from any of the other episodes

1313
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:17,670
to because it opens with a witness story

1314
00:56:21,770 --> 00:56:19,680
not not that the witness was there but

1315
00:56:24,110 --> 00:56:21,780
it opens with a UFO story and then goes

1316
00:56:27,860 --> 00:56:24,120
into like what the actual topic of the

1317
00:56:29,540 --> 00:56:27,870
episode is so I I do I do the fact that

1318
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:29,550
this is my least favorite as nothing to

1319
00:56:33,140 --> 00:56:30,960
do with the actual content of the

1320
00:56:35,630 --> 00:56:33,150
episode I really like the the episode as

1321
00:56:38,380 --> 00:56:35,640
a whole and I love that the Exeter stuff

1322
00:56:41,090 --> 00:56:38,390
especially and I love the I love

1323
00:56:44,450 --> 00:56:41,100
malala's interview I have to say I

1324
00:56:45,890 --> 00:56:44,460
really having having that perspective

1325
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:45,900
and there's really important the one

1326
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:48,450
downside to that is his interview was

1327
00:56:52,430 --> 00:56:50,640
like an hour and a half and his

1328
00:56:55,250 --> 00:56:52,440
interview is distilled into three

1329
00:56:56,570 --> 00:56:55,260
minutes and you know like if you he

1330
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:56,580
watches that he's probably gonna hate it

1331
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:00,000
because obviously to boil down what he

1332
00:57:06,110 --> 00:57:02,610
thinks and I this is part of the the

1333
00:57:08,300 --> 00:57:06,120
narration says to boil down like dirt to

1334
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:08,310
distill you know what his belief system

1335
00:57:15,350 --> 00:57:11,610
is about UFOs into like one tiny little

1336
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:15,360
chunk is almost impossible but he had so

1337
00:57:21,890 --> 00:57:18,450
much to say about that stuff and and the

1338
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:21,900
origins of not just the UFOs but like

1339
00:57:26,570 --> 00:57:23,370
the ant people and all that kind of

1340
00:57:28,310 --> 00:57:26,580
stuff I hope we can use more than an

1341
00:57:30,500 --> 00:57:28,320
interview if we can do a season two

1342
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:30,510
because that his interview is really

1343
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:33,090
cool yeah I love getting that native

1344
00:57:37,370 --> 00:57:35,040
perspective it's super important I mean

1345
00:57:39,530 --> 00:57:37,380
some of our greatest stories of the star

1346
00:57:42,500 --> 00:57:39,540
people and all these sorts of things

1347
00:57:44,570 --> 00:57:42,510
come from the Native Americans and I'm

1348
00:57:46,910 --> 00:57:44,580
digging a lot deeper into that in future

1349
00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:46,920
episodes of of somewhere in the skies

1350
00:57:52,250 --> 00:57:49,680
too so I'm so happy that you are able to

1351
00:57:54,170 --> 00:57:52,260
do that and get that perspective of it

1352
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:54,180
because it's very important I think when

1353
00:57:59,180 --> 00:57:56,210
it comes to the overall phenomenon and

1354
00:58:01,550 --> 00:57:59,190
this alright this is my favorite episode

1355
00:58:03,590 --> 00:58:01,560
guys chapter 5 the stuff they don't want

1356
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:03,600
you to know this is where we get to the

1357
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:07,410
dark and sexy government cover angle to

1358
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:10,770
all this um and we tackle area 51

1359
00:58:15,689 --> 00:58:13,839
military involvement so what's up

1360
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:15,699
due to the most about covering this

1361
00:58:19,890 --> 00:58:17,890
aspect of your focus and do you have any

1362
00:58:24,029 --> 00:58:19,900
sort of personal thoughts on which

1363
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:24,039
things are clearly a cover-up and what

1364
00:58:29,489 --> 00:58:25,839
was just sort of maybe born out of a

1365
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:29,499
mythology I guess Shannon you start I'm

1366
00:58:41,039 --> 00:58:39,089
just right in my backyard you know since

1367
00:58:43,589 --> 00:58:41,049
I see UFOs every day since I'm in Vegas

1368
00:58:45,630 --> 00:58:43,599
that's the go-to right there never seen

1369
00:58:49,309 --> 00:58:45,640
one really actually except for the the

1370
00:58:53,069 --> 00:58:49,319
orb in Washington State so there you go

1371
00:58:56,459 --> 00:58:53,079
so as far as area 51 goes just in

1372
00:58:59,370 --> 00:58:56,469
general I don't think anything would

1373
00:59:02,009 --> 00:58:59,380
surprise me either way if all of it was

1374
00:59:04,709 --> 00:59:02,019
man-made okay that makes sense

1375
00:59:07,529 --> 00:59:04,719
where if all of it was alien craft which

1376
00:59:09,239 --> 00:59:07,539
would be amazing but that also would not

1377
00:59:10,799 --> 00:59:09,249
be that surprising UFOs in and of

1378
00:59:13,049 --> 00:59:10,809
themselves that's kind of some really

1379
00:59:14,819 --> 00:59:13,059
stupid but they're almost they're not

1380
00:59:17,519 --> 00:59:14,829
boring to me they're just they're like

1381
00:59:19,259 --> 00:59:17,529
yeah I totally get it and it makes sense

1382
00:59:20,939 --> 00:59:19,269
and and how could we be the only things

1383
00:59:23,009 --> 00:59:20,949
out there so I mean something like a

1384
00:59:24,269 --> 00:59:23,019
Bigfoot or a dog man especially a dog

1385
00:59:28,199 --> 00:59:24,279
man don't get me started on that but

1386
00:59:31,259 --> 00:59:28,209
woof man there those are really like

1387
00:59:33,509 --> 00:59:31,269
kind of crazy cool to me UFOs make up so

1388
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:33,519
much sense that maybe that's why I don't

1389
00:59:39,329 --> 00:59:35,410
cover them so much on any of the free

1390
00:59:41,309 --> 00:59:39,339
but as far as area 51 goes the thing

1391
00:59:42,959 --> 00:59:41,319
that chases its tail so much out there

1392
00:59:45,479 --> 00:59:42,969
is the fact that you know you had

1393
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:45,489
something like the the black bird out

1394
00:59:48,660 --> 00:59:47,170
there at one point you know sitting on

1395
00:59:50,849 --> 00:59:48,670
top of a huge spike I know I've told

1396
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:50,859
this with you on Ryan before it's one of

1397
00:59:54,599 --> 00:59:53,410
my favorite stories out of 51 they would

1398
00:59:56,999 --> 00:59:54,609
bring it out during the day and they'd

1399
01:00:00,150 --> 00:59:57,009
be doing the testing on it and it was up

1400
01:00:02,249 --> 01:00:00,160
on this massive pole and then they'd

1401
01:00:03,900 --> 01:00:02,259
take it in or I'm sorry they bring it

1402
01:00:05,609 --> 01:00:03,910
out at night but the desert was still

1403
01:00:08,669 --> 01:00:05,619
the heat from the day would still be

1404
01:00:11,039 --> 01:00:08,679
basically give the outline of the black

1405
01:00:13,079 --> 01:00:11,049
bird underneath it they would take it in

1406
01:00:15,479 --> 01:00:13,089
and think they were so sneaky meanwhile

1407
01:00:17,729 --> 01:00:15,489
the Russian satellites go over and they

1408
01:00:19,380 --> 01:00:17,739
see the exact basically cut out of the

1409
01:00:21,299 --> 01:00:19,390
black bird and they know exactly what

1410
01:00:22,949 --> 01:00:21,309
the hell we were working on so you know

1411
01:00:23,609 --> 01:00:22,959
then makes you kind of go aren't really

1412
01:00:25,949 --> 01:00:23,619
that smart

1413
01:00:27,660 --> 01:00:25,959
are we really smart enough to be coming

1414
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:27,670
up with something like a tr-3b

1415
01:00:33,660 --> 01:00:31,450
which we do have which john has admitted

1416
01:00:35,910 --> 01:00:33,670
that he thinks that probably what he saw

1417
01:00:38,820 --> 01:00:35,920
that day outside of area 51 or that

1418
01:00:40,530 --> 01:00:38,830
night but I think that we're the the

1419
01:00:43,050 --> 01:00:40,540
tail-chasing sorry I said this earlier

1420
01:00:45,420 --> 01:00:43,060
where this comes from is the fact that

1421
01:00:47,220 --> 01:00:45,430
people go well there is manmade stuff

1422
01:00:49,650 --> 01:00:47,230
well yeah sure but it did this crazy

1423
01:00:52,050 --> 01:00:49,660
manoeuvre well how do we get that

1424
01:00:54,330 --> 01:00:52,060
technology and then the then is chasing

1425
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:54,340
its tail as far as well did it come from

1426
01:01:00,030 --> 01:00:56,850
off-planet and now we're just

1427
01:01:02,790 --> 01:01:00,040
reproducing that somehow we have to back

1428
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:02,800
engineer that or did we actually come up

1429
01:01:07,980 --> 01:01:05,530
with all of that on our own so I I don't

1430
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:07,990
know I mean that's that is the proper

1431
01:01:11,820 --> 01:01:09,610
question I think as far as what's going

1432
01:01:13,230 --> 01:01:11,830
on out there really I I like the idea

1433
01:01:14,910 --> 01:01:13,240
now this is what I've had to see

1434
01:01:16,890 --> 01:01:14,920
whenever I do an interview I'm always

1435
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:16,900
like I'm trying to find a hook so my

1436
01:01:20,970 --> 01:01:18,610
hook now is gonna be I'm gonna let

1437
01:01:22,590 --> 01:01:20,980
Shannon talk about that this the actual

1438
01:01:24,300 --> 01:01:22,600
stuff you're asking and I'm just gonna

1439
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:24,310
ramble about like filmmaking stuff so

1440
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:31,810
this episode is my favorite of the

1441
01:01:39,060 --> 01:01:34,930
series actually because because the the

1442
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:39,070
opening is so unique from from anything

1443
01:01:44,790 --> 01:01:42,130
else that's come in in anything STM it

1444
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:44,800
feels more like an action movie or

1445
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:47,050
Ferris Bueller I called it my Ferris

1446
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:48,490
Bueller opening because it's like

1447
01:01:53,820 --> 01:01:50,770
Shannon is is very much breaking the

1448
01:01:57,270 --> 01:01:53,830
fourth wall and it gets really meta at

1449
01:02:00,450 --> 01:01:57,280
the beginning and also our color are the

1450
01:02:02,340 --> 01:02:00,460
god did the color on on the entire

1451
01:02:04,820 --> 01:02:02,350
series had a blast doing this episode

1452
01:02:09,060 --> 01:02:04,830
because so much of it is in the desert

1453
01:02:11,460 --> 01:02:09,070
he created a color palette that he kept

1454
01:02:12,870 --> 01:02:11,470
in an adjustment layer he put it on the

1455
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:12,880
adjustment layer and it was just called

1456
01:02:20,010 --> 01:02:16,690
Tony Scott and it's because the entire

1457
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:20,020
episode looks like a Tony Scott movies

1458
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:21,730
like Top Gun or something it looks like

1459
01:02:28,820 --> 01:02:24,730
a Tony Scott movie and especially the

1460
01:02:31,500 --> 01:02:28,830
parts with Shannon at area 51 so this is

1461
01:02:33,630 --> 01:02:31,510
this is my favorite episode and also I

1462
01:02:36,359 --> 01:02:33,640
do love the conspiracy and government

1463
01:02:44,579 --> 01:02:36,369
cover-up angle of ufology

1464
01:02:46,589 --> 01:02:44,589
and exercise yeah sorry you're

1465
01:02:48,180 --> 01:02:46,599
exercising I like that you yeah you're

1466
01:02:48,900 --> 01:02:48,190
killing three birds with one stone I

1467
01:02:51,870 --> 01:02:48,910
like it

1468
01:02:54,269 --> 01:02:51,880
no it's I have a stationary bike in the

1469
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:54,279
basement that's like four years old and

1470
01:02:58,710 --> 01:02:55,930
if either of us to use it it sounds like

1471
01:03:02,039 --> 01:02:58,720
someone's trying to it really is an

1472
01:03:10,049 --> 01:03:02,049
exercise bike oh it's 100% I am being I

1473
01:03:13,980 --> 01:03:10,059
am dead serious so anyway yeah the the

1474
01:03:15,900 --> 01:03:13,990
the actual like the actual conspiracy

1475
01:03:18,299 --> 01:03:15,910
angle of all of this is is one of my

1476
01:03:21,809 --> 01:03:18,309
favorite aspects of the subject and and

1477
01:03:25,259 --> 01:03:21,819
to get to go to area 51 and have the

1478
01:03:27,269 --> 01:03:25,269
insanity that happened as meet that

1479
01:03:29,789 --> 01:03:27,279
meeting that guy that you know we got to

1480
01:03:32,579 --> 01:03:29,799
interview there and and it being the

1481
01:03:34,739 --> 01:03:32,589
same day that sort of the area 51 storm

1482
01:03:38,099 --> 01:03:34,749
area 51 stuff blew up and all that it

1483
01:03:42,539 --> 01:03:38,109
was just it was insane that that happen

1484
01:03:45,299 --> 01:03:42,549
yeah there yeah so yeah as far as the

1485
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:45,309
you know the the film aspect of it I

1486
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:47,170
will say just to add this and nothing

1487
01:03:54,900 --> 01:03:48,970
makes you look like more of a badass

1488
01:03:56,279 --> 01:03:54,910
than slow motion yeah well some

1489
01:03:57,539 --> 01:03:56,289
interesting stuff happened when you went

1490
01:04:02,999 --> 01:03:57,549
there we'll leave that for the audience

1491
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:03,009
to uh to see yeah that was probably one

1492
01:04:07,499 --> 01:04:04,690
of my favorites too Seth so I totally

1493
01:04:09,630 --> 01:04:07,509
understand why um well then we moved to

1494
01:04:10,739 --> 01:04:09,640
chapter 6 let it shine this was pretty

1495
01:04:12,390 --> 01:04:10,749
cool

1496
01:04:13,829 --> 01:04:12,400
this is something I've never really

1497
01:04:16,019 --> 01:04:13,839
looked into but I was so happy to see

1498
01:04:18,029 --> 01:04:16,029
that you guys made it to North Carolina

1499
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:18,039
with our mutual friend

1500
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:20,650
Micah Hanks and you covered the orbs

1501
01:04:24,690 --> 01:04:22,690
which is a huge part of the follow G

1502
01:04:26,370 --> 01:04:24,700
that a lot of people don't know about so

1503
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:26,380
yeah what was it like going to brown Mao

1504
01:04:30,839 --> 01:04:28,930
in and you know the Marfa lights in

1505
01:04:32,999 --> 01:04:30,849
Texas you guys covered and several

1506
01:04:34,470 --> 01:04:33,009
others so yeah what was it like actually

1507
01:04:37,499 --> 01:04:34,480
going out there and doing some sky

1508
01:04:40,019 --> 01:04:37,509
watching and all that no Shannon what

1509
01:04:42,739 --> 01:04:40,029
was it like I was you know I mean it's

1510
01:04:45,450 --> 01:04:42,749
brown mountain I mean I was extremely

1511
01:04:48,930 --> 01:04:45,460
expectant and excited and of course to

1512
01:04:50,370 --> 01:04:48,940
meet Micah Hanks was amazing and yeah it

1513
01:04:52,050 --> 01:04:50,380
was a beautiful location

1514
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:52,060
it's funny because even though you've

1515
01:04:56,970 --> 01:04:54,610
seen footage of the area or you see

1516
01:04:58,680 --> 01:04:56,980
pictures of the area until you go there

1517
01:04:59,970 --> 01:04:58,690
you know you're like oh this isn't

1518
01:05:02,190 --> 01:04:59,980
exactly what I thought it was going to

1519
01:05:05,790 --> 01:05:02,200
be but it was I mean it was more because

1520
01:05:09,810 --> 01:05:05,800
it was as far as what he was explaining

1521
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:09,820
there was such a bigger area that you

1522
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:11,770
were supposed to be watching and I

1523
01:05:15,570 --> 01:05:13,210
actually think that Seth and I were

1524
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:15,580
looking at the wrong place before Mike

1525
01:05:20,130 --> 01:05:18,010
had got there which was I mean these

1526
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:20,140
things happen you know when you've never

1527
01:05:23,490 --> 01:05:21,850
been at a place before I wish both of

1528
01:05:25,350 --> 01:05:23,500
our first times at Brown Mountain but

1529
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:25,360
and Mike is like oh no it's actually

1530
01:05:29,790 --> 01:05:27,970
over here like Oh whoopsie

1531
01:05:32,670 --> 01:05:29,800
we were we were off to the left there a

1532
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:32,680
little bit sorry but um you know the the

1533
01:05:39,150 --> 01:05:35,890
whole area there has such mystique to it

1534
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:39,160
and you know as far as orbs go that is

1535
01:05:43,980 --> 01:05:41,170
something that I have experienced myself

1536
01:05:45,900 --> 01:05:43,990
and you know we'll have to leave it for

1537
01:05:47,610 --> 01:05:45,910
the audience to see you know what has

1538
01:05:50,250 --> 01:05:47,620
actually gone down at Brown Mountain for

1539
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:50,260
us but for me that was I was super

1540
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:52,330
excited to go to that location and we

1541
01:05:55,530 --> 01:05:54,130
were very lucky to have Micah take the

1542
01:05:57,780 --> 01:05:55,540
time to meet us up there on the mountain

1543
01:06:01,050 --> 01:05:57,790
the mystery light thing was a big part

1544
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:01,060
of the series for me I don't know why I

1545
01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:03,370
was so insistent on getting it in here

1546
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:04,720
because there was other stuff we could

1547
01:06:08,130 --> 01:06:06,370
have covered you know like there was

1548
01:06:10,380 --> 01:06:08,140
there's no I don't think we make any

1549
01:06:13,620 --> 01:06:10,390
that there's no denying the fact that we

1550
01:06:20,510 --> 01:06:13,630
barely scratched the surface of UFOs

1551
01:06:23,730 --> 01:06:20,520
with this series but yeah I mean like we

1552
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:23,740
saying is if we can do a season 2

1553
01:06:27,420 --> 01:06:25,810
there's no problem

1554
01:06:29,070 --> 01:06:27,430
like we can keep doing the same format

1555
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:29,080
it's different from Bigfoot in that way

1556
01:06:33,390 --> 01:06:31,450
like Bigfoot I have to come up with a

1557
01:06:35,430 --> 01:06:33,400
completely new format for season 2 of on

1558
01:06:37,710 --> 01:06:35,440
the trail a Bigfoot but for UFOs you can

1559
01:06:40,110 --> 01:06:37,720
keep doing this because there's so much

1560
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:40,120
to explore but mystery lights were a big

1561
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:42,610
part of the series for me and getting me

1562
01:06:48,150 --> 01:06:45,490
gonna to brown mountain was weird

1563
01:06:50,100 --> 01:06:48,160
because it was weird for a couple

1564
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:50,110
reasons one I realized while I was there

1565
01:06:54,060 --> 01:06:51,610
that we were like right down the road

1566
01:06:57,660 --> 01:06:54,070
from where a good chunk of my family is

1567
01:06:59,190 --> 01:06:57,670
from within like 20 wouldn't you say

1568
01:07:02,610 --> 01:06:59,200
like 20 minutes you know where we had

1569
01:07:03,839 --> 01:07:02,620
yes so a good chunk of my family my dad

1570
01:07:05,339 --> 01:07:03,849
side the family is from there

1571
01:07:08,130 --> 01:07:05,349
and then the other thing is like I grew

1572
01:07:10,109 --> 01:07:08,140
up going to a camp in Marion North

1573
01:07:11,700 --> 01:07:10,119
Carolina for most of my life and Marion

1574
01:07:14,849 --> 01:07:11,710
is there like that is Marion

1575
01:07:17,099 --> 01:07:14,859
in fact Brown Mountain is a is a Marion

1576
01:07:19,979 --> 01:07:17,109
zip code so it was also weird in the

1577
01:07:22,319 --> 01:07:19,989
fact that Lake James which is where the

1578
01:07:24,599 --> 01:07:22,329
camp was that I used to go as a kid is

1579
01:07:26,549 --> 01:07:24,609
like right over the mountain from Brown

1580
01:07:28,019 --> 01:07:26,559
Mountain so apparently I had been there

1581
01:07:33,180 --> 01:07:28,029
most of my life and just never realized

1582
01:07:35,309 --> 01:07:33,190
that so so yeah we we had a lot of fun

1583
01:07:37,739 --> 01:07:35,319
up there I think that that night was

1584
01:07:40,650 --> 01:07:37,749
super memorable and again like that felt

1585
01:07:41,819 --> 01:07:40,660
like sort of classic on the trail of to

1586
01:07:44,190 --> 01:07:41,829
me it felt like we were actually

1587
01:07:47,309 --> 01:07:44,200
adventuring and doing something

1588
01:07:50,339 --> 01:07:47,319
something cool and then that episode

1589
01:07:53,819 --> 01:07:50,349
also has some really neat eyewitness

1590
01:07:56,940 --> 01:07:53,829
stories it's got Matt Matt Chang's word

1591
01:08:01,170 --> 01:07:56,950
story and then it's got it's got Greg

1592
01:08:04,650 --> 01:08:01,180
cannons encounter as well and Greg Greg

1593
01:08:07,410 --> 01:08:04,660
I actually shot Greg's interview at an

1594
01:08:08,789 --> 01:08:07,420
event in Pennsylvania but I was really

1595
01:08:10,190 --> 01:08:08,799
excited to get someone in there who'd

1596
01:08:12,839 --> 01:08:10,200
actually seen the Brown Mountain lights

1597
01:08:15,150 --> 01:08:12,849
since micah has failed to ever see the

1598
01:08:16,919 --> 01:08:15,160
brother so that was important to me as

1599
01:08:18,599 --> 01:08:16,929
well but yeah that was that was a lot of

1600
01:08:20,669 --> 01:08:18,609
fun doing that episode in it and that

1601
01:08:23,039 --> 01:08:20,679
episode was also the most draining of

1602
01:08:26,039 --> 01:08:23,049
all the episodes because there's so many

1603
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:26,049
effect shots like I said there's my

1604
01:08:33,059 --> 01:08:29,170
estimate is 40 or 50 effect shots in

1605
01:08:35,099 --> 01:08:33,069
that episode and santino did 12 and I

1606
01:08:37,620 --> 01:08:35,109
probably did actually there's more

1607
01:08:39,539 --> 01:08:37,630
there's like 14 of santino shots and

1608
01:08:42,329 --> 01:08:39,549
that but he did 12 specifically for that

1609
01:08:45,809 --> 01:08:42,339
episode and that I reused a couple and I

1610
01:08:47,789 --> 01:08:45,819
probably did 20 of em myself and then

1611
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:47,799
there's a bunch of effect shots in there

1612
01:08:51,959 --> 01:08:50,170
from other people as well plus all of

1613
01:08:53,729 --> 01:08:51,969
Mark Randall's illustrations that

1614
01:08:57,059 --> 01:08:53,739
episode is just visually in his

1615
01:08:59,309 --> 01:08:57,069
wall-to-wall effects it and and then you

1616
01:09:01,410 --> 01:08:59,319
get some really cool footage of what

1617
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:01,420
might be an actual Brown Mountain light

1618
01:09:05,999 --> 01:09:04,210
so that's cool yeah that was pretty cool

1619
01:09:08,430 --> 01:09:06,009
again this one yeah you're right set

1620
01:09:10,019 --> 01:09:08,440
that really felt like on the trail when

1621
01:09:12,300 --> 01:09:10,029
you guys are out there boots on the

1622
01:09:14,669 --> 01:09:12,310
ground experiencing this stuff so that

1623
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:14,679
was super invigorating home well then we

1624
01:09:19,669 --> 01:09:16,799
move to probably one of the most calm

1625
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:19,679
Hershel parts of all of this when it

1626
01:09:24,289 --> 01:09:21,690
comes to UFOs a lot of researchers shy

1627
01:09:26,990 --> 01:09:24,299
away from it and some embrace it

1628
01:09:29,390 --> 01:09:27,000
entirely and that's the abduction

1629
01:09:32,359 --> 01:09:29,400
phenomenon so can you tell us a little

1630
01:09:34,459 --> 01:09:32,369
about what and who you explore in this

1631
01:09:36,309 --> 01:09:34,469
episode and maybe some of the theories

1632
01:09:38,569 --> 01:09:36,319
you guys came across when it comes to

1633
01:09:42,379 --> 01:09:38,579
abductions what they might represent

1634
01:09:43,849 --> 01:09:42,389
this episode was the hardest to put

1635
01:09:49,039 --> 01:09:43,859
together from a storytelling standpoint

1636
01:09:50,450 --> 01:09:49,049
I have a whiteboard in my office and you

1637
01:09:53,030 --> 01:09:50,460
know for most of the episodes I had to

1638
01:09:55,100 --> 01:09:53,040
do sort of the classic like arrow you

1639
01:09:56,209 --> 01:09:55,110
know story point to story point so in my

1640
01:09:57,770 --> 01:09:56,219
head as I'm editing it wouldn't make

1641
01:10:00,049 --> 01:09:57,780
sense where each piece of the story

1642
01:10:03,049 --> 01:10:00,059
needs to go you know but in this episode

1643
01:10:06,410 --> 01:10:03,059
that changed constantly and I

1644
01:10:08,930 --> 01:10:06,420
storyboarded it on as I was editing and

1645
01:10:10,939 --> 01:10:08,940
it really was difficult cuz 35 this

1646
01:10:13,399 --> 01:10:10,949
episodes the longest it's 35 it's around

1647
01:10:16,370 --> 01:10:13,409
35 36 minutes something like that but I

1648
01:10:18,859 --> 01:10:16,380
mean you really get a good overview of

1649
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:18,869
what abduction the abduction phenomenon

1650
01:10:24,740 --> 01:10:22,530
is and and how weird it gets and how

1651
01:10:29,390 --> 01:10:24,750
strange some of the theories and stuff

1652
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:29,400
are regarding what is behind the actual

1653
01:10:36,020 --> 01:10:33,210
abductions and and as I was as we were

1654
01:10:38,089 --> 01:10:36,030
shooting this episode I did not have any

1655
01:10:39,859 --> 01:10:38,099
intention of making this a Betty and

1656
01:10:41,419 --> 01:10:39,869
Barney Hill episode but it really does

1657
01:10:42,950 --> 01:10:41,429
end up feeling like a Betty and Barney

1658
01:10:46,220 --> 01:10:42,960
Hill episode it definitely has the

1659
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:46,230
bookend of being Betty and Barney Hill

1660
01:10:50,359 --> 01:10:47,730
at the beginning in the end you know

1661
01:10:52,549 --> 01:10:50,369
it's got Shannon and and Adam and

1662
01:10:55,129 --> 01:10:52,559
Alexander talking about them sort of

1663
01:10:56,660 --> 01:10:55,139
there to wrap everything up and then at

1664
01:10:59,229 --> 01:10:56,670
the beginning it's us climbing to the

1665
01:11:02,330 --> 01:10:59,239
top of artists nook and you get to see

1666
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:02,340
some of those video clips of what was

1667
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:05,489
Betty's last interview and a huge thanks

1668
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:08,130
to John Horgan for for giving me those

1669
01:11:11,660 --> 01:11:10,050
clips too and letting us use those

1670
01:11:14,660 --> 01:11:11,670
because I think that's kind of a really

1671
01:11:17,290 --> 01:11:14,670
important piece of the the episode is to

1672
01:11:19,339 --> 01:11:17,300
have our Betty actually on camera

1673
01:11:22,549 --> 01:11:19,349
talking about the abduction and stuff

1674
01:11:25,250 --> 01:11:22,559
but I learned a lot in making this

1675
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:25,260
episode I think the the thing that

1676
01:11:30,050 --> 01:11:27,690
stands out the most to me is is that

1677
01:11:32,150 --> 01:11:30,060
some of these experiencers

1678
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:32,160
view their abduction as a very positive

1679
01:11:38,810 --> 01:11:35,850
thing even when that seems to fly in the

1680
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:38,820
face of rational thinking and the one

1681
01:11:43,550 --> 01:11:40,410
that really stands out is Gary try

1682
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:43,560
Burt's abduction story where he was he

1683
01:11:48,470 --> 01:11:45,810
had he was driving to get beer one night

1684
01:11:50,390 --> 01:11:48,480
and saw this light sort of paralleling

1685
01:11:51,830 --> 01:11:50,400
his car came around a bend in the in the

1686
01:11:54,950 --> 01:11:51,840
road and there was a car in the middle

1687
01:11:57,680 --> 01:11:54,960
era the UFO a light in the middle of the

1688
01:12:00,200 --> 01:11:57,690
road and that's sort of all he remembers

1689
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:00,210
he wakes up three hours later and but

1690
01:12:03,590 --> 01:12:02,010
that's like just the beginning of

1691
01:12:05,900 --> 01:12:03,600
everything he's got all this you know

1692
01:12:08,570 --> 01:12:05,910
the the physical manifestations things

1693
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:08,580
start happening to him that he doesn't

1694
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:10,170
understand he's get waking up with like

1695
01:12:13,820 --> 01:12:11,970
bloody noses and scoop marks and his

1696
01:12:15,980 --> 01:12:13,830
neck and all this kind of stuff and it

1697
01:12:17,060 --> 01:12:15,990
all sounds terrible and then it gets to

1698
01:12:19,730 --> 01:12:17,070
the point where it's happening to his

1699
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:19,740
children as well and yet when we talked

1700
01:12:23,540 --> 01:12:21,570
to him and asked him about how he felt

1701
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:23,550
about it it wasn't he didn't seem to

1702
01:12:28,970 --> 01:12:25,290
think it was negative and that was so

1703
01:12:33,670 --> 01:12:28,980
strange to me to sort of wrap my brain

1704
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:33,680
around and Orion one thing I have to say

1705
01:12:38,810 --> 01:12:35,730
about episode six

1706
01:12:42,410 --> 01:12:38,820
just real quick long thank you thank you

1707
01:12:44,420 --> 01:12:42,420
for tying episode six back into the UFO

1708
01:12:46,820 --> 01:12:44,430
subject because you did it so well and

1709
01:12:48,140 --> 01:12:46,830
that freaked me out so bad with episode

1710
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:48,150
six because I was like how am I gonna

1711
01:12:53,450 --> 01:12:51,690
even keep this sort of tied into the

1712
01:12:55,550 --> 01:12:53,460
rest of it and you and Michael

1713
01:12:59,030 --> 01:12:55,560
Huntington did such a good job of

1714
01:13:01,210 --> 01:12:59,040
explaining like these are you ApS like

1715
01:13:03,830 --> 01:13:01,220
this is still a piece of the overall

1716
01:13:05,210 --> 01:13:03,840
puzzle so anyway just one thing I've had

1717
01:13:12,940 --> 01:13:05,220
I had to mention that oh oh you're

1718
01:13:19,340 --> 01:13:17,660
episode 7 is also visually the probably

1719
01:13:20,900 --> 01:13:19,350
the most stunning of the entire series

1720
01:13:23,810 --> 01:13:20,910
because we were filming in the White

1721
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:23,820
Mountains at peak like fall foliage

1722
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:26,130
season and it's funny because the

1723
01:13:30,440 --> 01:13:27,930
episode is absolutely like stunningly

1724
01:13:31,850 --> 01:13:30,450
gorgeous but the subject matter is super

1725
01:13:34,070 --> 01:13:31,860
disturbing so I like that weird

1726
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:34,080
dichotomy that's going on yeah well

1727
01:13:37,790 --> 01:13:35,850
she's often at a dichotomy a late-night

1728
01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:37,800
kata me twice and one we just need Ryan

1729
01:13:41,930 --> 01:13:39,840
to use it before ever done then we we

1730
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:41,940
got the hat trick well Shannon what is

1731
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:42,890
the day

1732
01:13:47,890 --> 01:13:44,930
ah to me between what you think

1733
01:13:49,030 --> 01:13:47,900
objections are not well I got ashen

1734
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:49,040
you've you've been a good experience

1735
01:13:53,440 --> 01:13:51,410
there's in the past on your show mm-hmm

1736
01:13:55,060 --> 01:13:53,450
you and I spoke to several from my book

1737
01:13:58,210 --> 01:13:55,070
on an episode of into the fray at one

1738
01:14:00,550 --> 01:13:58,220
point i mean i'm i need deep an alien

1739
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:00,560
abduction experiences but coming at it

1740
01:14:04,300 --> 01:14:02,810
from your side of it what did you make

1741
01:14:07,930 --> 01:14:04,310
of this episode when it comes to

1742
01:14:11,470 --> 01:14:07,940
abductions I mean I think that the

1743
01:14:13,810 --> 01:14:11,480
abduction scenario and where you go from

1744
01:14:15,730 --> 01:14:13,820
the classic like the Schreiber kind to

1745
01:14:19,780 --> 01:14:15,740
you know I recently talked to a woman

1746
01:14:23,710 --> 01:14:19,790
for ITF that she saw craft and it seemed

1747
01:14:25,270 --> 01:14:23,720
to just open up other experiences like

1748
01:14:27,310 --> 01:14:25,280
it just opened the door for her just

1749
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:27,320
like when Seth was talking about Carrie

1750
01:14:32,020 --> 01:14:30,050
triberg and you know it kind of turns

1751
01:14:33,070 --> 01:14:32,030
into this thing where there's a tree and

1752
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:33,080
then there's lights around the tree and

1753
01:14:37,270 --> 01:14:35,690
it becomes what she tantamount says some

1754
01:14:39,790 --> 01:14:37,280
kind of portal or something and then

1755
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:39,800
this being comes out right and and I'm

1756
01:14:43,270 --> 01:14:42,050
just kind of gonna play off of you Ryan

1757
01:14:46,090 --> 01:14:43,280
to see if you've heard anything like

1758
01:14:48,700 --> 01:14:46,100
this but she had a name for him because

1759
01:14:49,420 --> 01:14:48,710
someone else talk I'm so bad at this UFO

1760
01:14:51,310 --> 01:14:49,430
stuff here I go

1761
01:14:54,220 --> 01:14:51,320
already anyhow maybe it'll come to you

1762
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:54,230
but he this being stuffs out she knows

1763
01:14:57,670 --> 01:14:56,090
it's quote-unquote an alien being

1764
01:15:01,120 --> 01:14:57,680
because it's not human so it's an alien

1765
01:15:03,130 --> 01:15:01,130
and he's wearing a belt of some sort but

1766
01:15:07,270 --> 01:15:03,140
there's a light in the middle of this

1767
01:15:08,620 --> 01:15:07,280
belt and she gave it a name and by god I

1768
01:15:11,890 --> 01:15:08,630
should I knew I should have brought that

1769
01:15:13,450 --> 01:15:11,900
notebook up just in case but she gave it

1770
01:15:15,430 --> 01:15:13,460
a name and said well I don't think it

1771
01:15:18,550 --> 01:15:15,440
was so and so but it could have been so

1772
01:15:20,890 --> 01:15:18,560
and so that this person talks about

1773
01:15:24,700 --> 01:15:20,900
there's a certain being that comes to

1774
01:15:26,620 --> 01:15:24,710
people sometimes and there was really no

1775
01:15:28,300 --> 01:15:26,630
true interaction or anything and she

1776
01:15:31,990 --> 01:15:28,310
didn't see it at all negative no

1777
01:15:34,090 --> 01:15:32,000
negative in this story but the dichotomy

1778
01:15:35,470 --> 01:15:34,100
of you know you have streamer but then

1779
01:15:36,820 --> 01:15:35,480
you have these other experiences where

1780
01:15:39,220 --> 01:15:36,830
they just it's like kind of more the

1781
01:15:41,620 --> 01:15:39,230
lighten and loved crowd which is

1782
01:15:47,230 --> 01:15:41,630
sometimes is a four-letter word in and

1783
01:15:49,210 --> 01:15:47,240
of itself too but it is such like you

1784
01:15:51,820 --> 01:15:49,220
said eat you can get so knee deep or

1785
01:15:55,480 --> 01:15:51,830
waist deep or neck deep in just the

1786
01:15:56,779 --> 01:15:55,490
abduction stuff it is mind boggling but

1787
01:15:59,689 --> 01:15:56,789
you know it's

1788
01:16:02,299 --> 01:15:59,699
where is Betty and Barney Hill the the

1789
01:16:05,839 --> 01:16:02,309
question that came up with a show that

1790
01:16:08,059 --> 01:16:05,849
Seth and I were also on last week was

1791
01:16:09,919 --> 01:16:08,069
you know what was the like the location

1792
01:16:12,379 --> 01:16:09,929
I'd like blew your mind or whatever and

1793
01:16:14,809 --> 01:16:12,389
both of us said Betty and Barney Hill

1794
01:16:17,959 --> 01:16:14,819
just because of the isolation factor and

1795
01:16:20,959 --> 01:16:17,969
even today if you go out there it is

1796
01:16:22,909 --> 01:16:20,969
very isolated and you know without the

1797
01:16:25,819 --> 01:16:22,919
use of cell phones or feeling like you

1798
01:16:27,799 --> 01:16:25,829
could really reach out to anyone no

1799
01:16:31,189 --> 01:16:27,809
matter what it was it would be

1800
01:16:34,069 --> 01:16:31,199
absolutely terrifying to have that

1801
01:16:36,169 --> 01:16:34,079
experience where you you have nowhere to

1802
01:16:39,859 --> 01:16:36,179
go and you feel like you have something

1803
01:16:42,169 --> 01:16:39,869
that has ultimate control and you're

1804
01:16:44,089 --> 01:16:42,179
just in your putt-putt car and you can't

1805
01:16:46,279 --> 01:16:44,099
go anywhere and now you have something

1806
01:16:48,049 --> 01:16:46,289
where you're like oh is this great an

1807
01:16:49,159 --> 01:16:48,059
off planet identity he wants to interact

1808
01:16:51,619 --> 01:16:49,169
with me this is wonderful great

1809
01:16:54,139 --> 01:16:51,629
fantastic you know you've got Travis

1810
01:16:55,759 --> 01:16:54,149
Waltons story whatever people want to

1811
01:16:58,250 --> 01:16:55,769
make of any of that stuff you can go

1812
01:17:00,919 --> 01:16:58,260
down the list of abductees and be like

1813
01:17:04,309 --> 01:17:00,929
well I don't know what to make of that

1814
01:17:07,099 --> 01:17:04,319
and and honestly I even streamer has

1815
01:17:09,529 --> 01:17:07,109
admitted you know he he finally said I

1816
01:17:14,270 --> 01:17:09,539
don't know what the hell all that was

1817
01:17:16,219 --> 01:17:14,280
but whatever it is does it at the end of

1818
01:17:18,889 --> 01:17:16,229
the day though and this is something you

1819
01:17:21,469 --> 01:17:18,899
know for the for the episodes that we go

1820
01:17:23,449 --> 01:17:21,479
through and for this series it's all

1821
01:17:25,429 --> 01:17:23,459
downs of the people like that's the big

1822
01:17:28,039 --> 01:17:25,439
picture of the whole thing anyway so

1823
01:17:30,229 --> 01:17:28,049
does it even matter if it's people just

1824
01:17:32,149 --> 01:17:30,239
effing with other people at the end of

1825
01:17:35,449 --> 01:17:32,159
the day that the perception of it almost

1826
01:17:37,699 --> 01:17:35,459
is the most important thing or is it

1827
01:17:39,829 --> 01:17:37,709
greys or something off planet it's all

1828
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:39,839
about the perception and the trauma that

1829
01:17:44,569 --> 01:17:42,449
the person goes through yep I mean I

1830
01:17:45,739 --> 01:17:44,579
I've been preaching this since day one

1831
01:17:47,839 --> 01:17:45,749
in my research of

1832
01:17:49,339 --> 01:17:47,849
it does it comes down to the people and

1833
01:17:51,229 --> 01:17:49,349
how it affects them and what they take

1834
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:51,239
from that I mean I think that's where

1835
01:17:55,189 --> 01:17:53,489
disclosure truly happens and I'll ask

1836
01:17:57,770 --> 01:17:55,199
you guys opinion on disclosure and a

1837
01:17:59,750 --> 01:17:57,780
little bit but yeah I think one by one

1838
01:18:01,399 --> 01:17:59,760
the people having UFO experiences

1839
01:18:04,069 --> 01:18:01,409
whether it's just a light in the sky or

1840
01:18:05,779 --> 01:18:04,079
a claimed abduction experience like it's

1841
01:18:08,149 --> 01:18:05,789
what you take from that and what you

1842
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:08,159
choose to do with it whether it's never

1843
01:18:12,570 --> 01:18:09,250
talked about it again

1844
01:18:15,590 --> 01:18:12,580
or embrace it or start a cult I don't

1845
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:15,600
know but it's crazy like the amount of

1846
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:17,890
people that have claimed that this has

1847
01:18:20,820 --> 01:18:18,610
happened to them

1848
01:18:23,460 --> 01:18:20,830
yeah we have no solid verifiable

1849
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:23,470
evidence of it being a legitimate

1850
01:18:28,500 --> 01:18:26,890
physical phenomenon so you do really

1851
01:18:30,930 --> 01:18:28,510
have to wonder I mean yeah we come

1852
01:18:32,790 --> 01:18:30,940
across scoop marks and implants and this

1853
01:18:35,670 --> 01:18:32,800
that this step but there's no definitive

1854
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:35,680
answer as to what these things are why

1855
01:18:41,220 --> 01:18:39,250
they're taking people and yeah it's it's

1856
01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:41,230
scary to me when people say it's love

1857
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:42,490
and light and it was an amazing

1858
01:18:45,990 --> 01:18:44,410
experience I find that really hard to

1859
01:18:48,420 --> 01:18:46,000
believe I mean these things are

1860
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:48,430
happening against your will time and

1861
01:18:54,060 --> 01:18:51,730
time again but again I am I've never

1862
01:18:55,770 --> 01:18:54,070
been abducted so I can't speak on what

1863
01:18:58,890 --> 01:18:55,780
someone takes from their own experience

1864
01:19:00,540 --> 01:18:58,900
but it's a fascinating subset of the UFO

1865
01:19:03,090 --> 01:19:00,550
phenomenon and I'm so happy you guys

1866
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:03,100
tackled it because you had to let's be

1867
01:19:08,550 --> 01:19:06,130
honest even without the abduction stuff

1868
01:19:11,190 --> 01:19:08,560
though if I saw a being come out a damn

1869
01:19:13,020 --> 01:19:11,200
tree belt or no but he could be stark

1870
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:13,030
nude and be the you know looking like

1871
01:19:17,670 --> 01:19:15,610
Jason Momoa I don't give a crap it's not

1872
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:17,680
gonna I'm gonna freak out it's I don't

1873
01:19:21,750 --> 01:19:20,050
think that I would be like this is yeah

1874
01:19:22,500 --> 01:19:21,760
I'm gonna sleep great this week this is

1875
01:19:26,190 --> 01:19:22,510
gonna be amazing

1876
01:19:28,650 --> 01:19:26,200
yeah good good point absolutely well we

1877
01:19:31,110 --> 01:19:28,660
move to the last episode chapter eight

1878
01:19:32,460 --> 01:19:31,120
longer way to go and this this this one

1879
01:19:35,130 --> 01:19:32,470
I kind of want to leave for the end of

1880
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:35,140
our conversation but before we do that

1881
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:37,090
guys I've got some listener questions do

1882
01:19:40,530 --> 01:19:38,530
you mind if I fire through these with

1883
01:19:44,220 --> 01:19:40,540
you yeah yeah yeah cool these are gonna

1884
01:19:46,350 --> 01:19:44,230
be fun these gonna be fun so you know

1885
01:19:50,190 --> 01:19:46,360
kind of rounding out the abduction thing

1886
01:19:52,620 --> 01:19:50,200
Cody on Twitter asks on the topic of

1887
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:52,630
abductions what is the earliest recorded

1888
01:19:57,690 --> 01:19:54,730
abduction case that you guys came across

1889
01:19:59,760 --> 01:19:57,700
the oldest that we have that seems if

1890
01:20:02,150 --> 01:19:59,770
nothing else at least they have them the

1891
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:02,160
missing missing time element is that

1892
01:20:08,550 --> 01:20:06,370
1600s Boston Massachusetts area story

1893
01:20:12,510 --> 01:20:08,560
the Deane merchant tells in the seventh

1894
01:20:15,390 --> 01:20:12,520
episode where you had the guys rowing

1895
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:15,400
rowing down the river and they see what

1896
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:17,850
they call sort of like a swine shaped

1897
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:20,650
object in the sky and then they they

1898
01:20:26,010 --> 01:20:22,690
blank out and they've somehow try

1899
01:20:29,370 --> 01:20:26,020
leveled like many miles down this river

1900
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:29,380
and it's hours later so that's that's

1901
01:20:35,700 --> 01:20:33,010
the sort Aldus like I guess missing time

1902
01:20:37,890 --> 01:20:35,710
case that that we came across while we

1903
01:20:39,570 --> 01:20:37,900
were making this or abduction case I

1904
01:20:42,660 --> 01:20:39,580
guess you'd call it all right

1905
01:20:44,550 --> 01:20:42,670
well Evan on Twitter asks the traveling

1906
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:44,560
you guys did alone in the series seemed

1907
01:20:48,540 --> 01:20:46,930
very expensive at least from you know

1908
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:48,550
the trailer that a lot of people seen

1909
01:20:53,790 --> 01:20:51,130
and aside from UFOs I mean the main

1910
01:20:56,250 --> 01:20:53,800
topic of the series did a certain area

1911
01:20:59,430 --> 01:20:56,260
really speak to you guys or surprise you

1912
01:21:01,620 --> 01:20:59,440
personally well we've talked about the

1913
01:21:03,209 --> 01:21:01,630
the Betty and Barney Hill location in

1914
01:21:06,180 --> 01:21:03,219
the White Mountains for sure but I think

1915
01:21:08,820 --> 01:21:06,190
my absolute favorite the spot I think

1916
01:21:10,939 --> 01:21:08,830
about almost daily still I'm really want

1917
01:21:15,540 --> 01:21:10,949
to go back to is Sedona just just just

1918
01:21:17,970 --> 01:21:15,550
watching the sunset in Sedona and and

1919
01:21:20,310 --> 01:21:17,980
the weather and and just the experience

1920
01:21:23,130 --> 01:21:20,320
of being that West Coast trip with

1921
01:21:26,810 --> 01:21:23,140
Shannon Jason and Brandon was really

1922
01:21:29,370 --> 01:21:26,820
special and and that that one wittle

1923
01:21:29,939 --> 01:21:29,380
stop was sort of that was really

1924
01:21:32,220 --> 01:21:29,949
important

1925
01:21:34,170 --> 01:21:32,230
yeah I agree having the boys in my

1926
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:34,180
backyard and being able to show them

1927
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:36,489
everything around here but also that was

1928
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:39,130
my first time to Sedona so yeah I would

1929
01:21:42,810 --> 01:21:41,170
agree I would say that that that hike

1930
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:42,820
out we're trying to find the vortexes

1931
01:21:48,090 --> 01:21:45,850
and you know you'll have to see if we

1932
01:21:49,950 --> 01:21:48,100
found them and you were talking from one

1933
01:21:51,570 --> 01:21:49,960
right now but yeah sitting up on top of

1934
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:51,580
the rocks and there was a whole bunch of

1935
01:21:55,229 --> 01:21:53,410
people up there for that very reason you

1936
01:21:57,300 --> 01:21:55,239
know there was people trying to park and

1937
01:21:58,860 --> 01:21:57,310
there was no parking and there trying to

1938
01:22:00,680 --> 01:21:58,870
scramble up these damn rocks to watch

1939
01:22:01,860 --> 01:22:00,690
the sunset and boy it was worth it

1940
01:22:04,590 --> 01:22:01,870
beautiful

1941
01:22:06,900 --> 01:22:04,600
that's awesome see even you know again

1942
01:22:08,959 --> 01:22:06,910
aside from UFOs like what you take away

1943
01:22:11,340 --> 01:22:08,969
from just this journey alone I'm sure

1944
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:11,350
gives you a deeper respect for how

1945
01:22:17,490 --> 01:22:15,370
diverse the US really is its massive

1946
01:22:19,979 --> 01:22:17,500
like the trip that's what I said it's

1947
01:22:22,860 --> 01:22:19,989
weird because we actually went to more

1948
01:22:26,310 --> 01:22:22,870
places in on the trail of Bigfoot but

1949
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:26,320
this felt expansive is a great word for

1950
01:22:31,260 --> 01:22:29,170
it it felt really really really just

1951
01:22:33,330 --> 01:22:31,270
gigantic when you really I mean there's

1952
01:22:35,010 --> 01:22:33,340
things that we shot that did not make it

1953
01:22:35,620 --> 01:22:35,020
into the series like Shannon at Cape

1954
01:22:42,129 --> 01:22:35,630
Canaveral

1955
01:22:46,689 --> 01:22:42,139
not a and you know it's it's it felt

1956
01:22:48,700 --> 01:22:46,699
enormous in scope and to close out it in

1957
01:22:51,550 --> 01:22:48,710
in Los Angeles like one of the most

1958
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:51,560
populated cities on earth and you know

1959
01:22:56,260 --> 01:22:54,290
and and but but still have that butted

1960
01:22:58,270 --> 01:22:56,270
up against places like the Chestnut

1961
01:23:01,060 --> 01:22:58,280
Ridge and and the White Mountains is

1962
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:01,070
really astonishing you get this piece

1963
01:23:05,709 --> 01:23:04,250
this cross-section of America that we

1964
01:23:08,410 --> 01:23:05,719
don't see often and I think it actually

1965
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:08,420
brings us more together these things

1966
01:23:13,209 --> 01:23:11,090
then then tears us apart you know and

1967
01:23:14,830 --> 01:23:13,219
that's hard in the world today so I got

1968
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:14,840
to thank you guys both for that before

1969
01:23:21,100 --> 01:23:18,050
we continue here so yeah yeah I think I

1970
01:23:23,140 --> 01:23:21,110
think that's the biggest part of on the

1971
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:23,150
trail of like so far so far if you

1972
01:23:27,430 --> 01:23:24,650
really go through all three of the on

1973
01:23:29,620 --> 01:23:27,440
the trail of camp Bigfoot and UFOs it's

1974
01:23:31,390 --> 01:23:29,630
the sense of place is probably the

1975
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:31,400
biggest special effect on the entire

1976
01:23:37,540 --> 01:23:34,130
thing yeah becomes its own character for

1977
01:23:40,990 --> 01:23:37,550
sure well Pete on Facebook asked Shannon

1978
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:41,000
is chasing the paranormal and hosting a

1979
01:23:46,030 --> 01:23:44,449
podcast or full-time occupation or is

1980
01:23:48,550 --> 01:23:46,040
this sort of like a side thing when

1981
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:48,560
you're not working he finds it amazing

1982
01:23:52,270 --> 01:23:50,570
that you know what a person could

1983
01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:52,280
actually like make a living doing these

1984
01:23:56,410 --> 01:23:54,290
sorts of things so and he says how

1985
01:23:57,610 --> 01:23:56,420
freaking cool that is so yeah what what

1986
01:24:00,459 --> 01:23:57,620
do you got for that one if you're

1987
01:24:02,290 --> 01:24:00,469
willing it would be amazing I would say

1988
01:24:05,350 --> 01:24:02,300
I I don't know quite what that's like

1989
01:24:07,090 --> 01:24:05,360
yet but you know for all of you guys out

1990
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:07,100
there Ryan Sprague and I actually share

1991
01:24:11,950 --> 01:24:10,370
a birthday August 8th and that is not

1992
01:24:14,379 --> 01:24:11,960
the only thing that we share though we

1993
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:14,389
share a way to make money

1994
01:24:19,450 --> 01:24:17,210
the signs are podcasting and and book

1995
01:24:21,939 --> 01:24:19,460
endeavors I'm newly into that of course

1996
01:24:25,450 --> 01:24:21,949
but we both are bartenders so that is

1997
01:24:27,459 --> 01:24:25,460
what I do for the bulk of my moolah yeah

1998
01:24:29,229 --> 01:24:27,469
yeah gotta pay them bills guys we

1999
01:24:32,950 --> 01:24:29,239
suppose we'd like to be full-time

2000
01:24:35,830 --> 01:24:32,960
researchers this is often a side thing

2001
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:35,840
for us a passion you know I we clearly

2002
01:24:43,540 --> 01:24:41,810
don't do it for the money that's there

2003
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:43,550
is certainly a misnomer out there that

2004
01:24:47,020 --> 01:24:45,170
just because you have a podcast and

2005
01:24:49,090 --> 01:24:47,030
maybe even a book or two out there that

2006
01:24:49,340 --> 01:24:49,100
you're making a ton of money but get

2007
01:24:51,140 --> 01:24:49,350
into

2008
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:51,150
and let's see how you guys do yeah

2009
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:53,010
you're often in the red let's be

2010
01:24:58,610 --> 01:24:56,010
completely honest yeah absolutely well

2011
01:25:01,010 --> 01:24:58,620
Sean on Facebook asks after working on

2012
01:25:03,620 --> 01:25:01,020
the series do either of you have a

2013
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:03,630
deeper belief in the UFO phenomenon like

2014
01:25:09,050 --> 01:25:05,810
did it change your beliefs at all um

2015
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:09,060
that's a good question it's funny

2016
01:25:15,440 --> 01:25:11,730
because I've been asked like if I've

2017
01:25:17,060 --> 01:25:15,450
been asked if the if my if I came into

2018
01:25:18,830 --> 01:25:17,070
this if I feel like coming out of this

2019
01:25:20,900 --> 01:25:18,840
tonight that I know more or less and I

2020
01:25:23,060 --> 01:25:20,910
think I feel like I know less about UFOs

2021
01:25:27,770 --> 01:25:23,070
that's just that's kind of where I am

2022
01:25:31,460 --> 01:25:27,780
like I don't I I know that I'm I'm much

2023
01:25:33,830 --> 01:25:31,470
more fascinated in the actual phenomenon

2024
01:25:35,510 --> 01:25:33,840
now than I was like before I think there

2025
01:25:37,970 --> 01:25:35,520
were little things that drew me to it

2026
01:25:39,440 --> 01:25:37,980
and obviously like I love the encounter

2027
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:39,450
stories and stuff like that and like I

2028
01:25:43,100 --> 01:25:41,970
said that the Cold War era but I think

2029
01:25:45,890 --> 01:25:43,110
I'm much more fascinated by the

2030
01:25:49,130 --> 01:25:45,900
phenomenon as a whole now than I was

2031
01:25:50,510 --> 01:25:49,140
before so that's that's a big that's a

2032
01:25:52,070 --> 01:25:50,520
big part of it for me yeah I think the

2033
01:25:54,350 --> 01:25:52,080
more you know the less you know I've

2034
01:25:55,730 --> 01:25:54,360
brought that up on several episodes you

2035
01:25:58,430 --> 01:25:55,740
know but then we start to ask new

2036
01:25:59,720 --> 01:25:58,440
questions I think that's definitely chin

2037
01:26:02,690 --> 01:25:59,730
and how do you feel I do have your

2038
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:02,700
beliefs in UFOs or the topic in general

2039
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:05,370
changed at all I mean I think the the

2040
01:26:10,850 --> 01:26:07,770
belief word is maybe a little bit strong

2041
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:10,860
and and you know no offense to Sean or

2042
01:26:16,910 --> 01:26:13,530
anything it's not a Mis lightly

2043
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:16,920
misplaced word but I would say yes just

2044
01:26:21,650 --> 01:26:19,050
because of the fact that and it's not so

2045
01:26:23,810 --> 01:26:21,660
much the UFO phenomenon itself it's a

2046
01:26:26,510 --> 01:26:23,820
belief and here we go with the belief

2047
01:26:28,190 --> 01:26:26,520
sorry it's a knowing that there is

2048
01:26:31,030 --> 01:26:28,200
something going on and it's certainly

2049
01:26:34,190 --> 01:26:31,040
affecting people and I say yes it has

2050
01:26:35,750 --> 01:26:34,200
changed me in a way and have a deeper

2051
01:26:38,060 --> 01:26:35,760
knowing that something's going on

2052
01:26:39,860 --> 01:26:38,070
because I've never had a chance to sit

2053
01:26:42,050 --> 01:26:39,870
down and talk to so many people

2054
01:26:43,970 --> 01:26:42,060
back to back face to face yeah

2055
01:26:45,530 --> 01:26:43,980
absolutely I know and when you start to

2056
01:26:48,440 --> 01:26:45,540
bring it together like that it just

2057
01:26:50,510 --> 01:26:48,450
becomes a lot more a stronger stronger

2058
01:26:52,340 --> 01:26:50,520
the case to be said for UFO it's become

2059
01:26:56,060 --> 01:26:52,350
stronger the more people you talk to you

2060
01:26:58,070 --> 01:26:56,070
yeah well in terms of that what are your

2061
01:26:59,570 --> 01:26:58,080
Bruce wants to know from Facebook what

2062
01:27:02,540 --> 01:26:59,580
are your personal thoughts on disclosure

2063
01:27:05,270 --> 01:27:02,550
and do you think we'll ever have it in

2064
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:05,280
our lifetime and in what form might it

2065
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:07,050
take what do you guys think about that

2066
01:27:15,890 --> 01:27:11,730
Seth no I think we will we'll probably

2067
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:15,900
hear something about UFOs being you know

2068
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:17,850
like I mean I think we've already had

2069
01:27:24,620 --> 01:27:20,610
like the admittance that that UFOs are

2070
01:27:26,830 --> 01:27:24,630
real from the government but no I don't

2071
01:27:29,780 --> 01:27:26,840
think we're gonna get some sort of like

2072
01:27:32,060 --> 01:27:29,790
yes aliens are here and they've been

2073
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:32,070
visiting earth for X amount of I don't

2074
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:34,250
see that happening

2075
01:27:40,100 --> 01:27:38,130
ya know yeah yeah yeah that would be my

2076
01:27:42,170 --> 01:27:40,110
answer exactly I couldn't agree more

2077
01:27:44,450 --> 01:27:42,180
with you guys I think again it comes

2078
01:27:46,580 --> 01:27:44,460
down to each person one by one having

2079
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:46,590
these experiences I think that's

2080
01:27:49,850 --> 01:27:48,210
disclosure for them alone and yeah I

2081
01:27:52,070 --> 01:27:49,860
mean since that New York Times article

2082
01:27:54,290 --> 01:27:52,080
came oh a lot of people consider that

2083
01:27:57,230 --> 01:27:54,300
disclosure you know the government said

2084
01:27:58,880 --> 01:27:57,240
UFOs exist now it's the question of what

2085
01:28:01,460 --> 01:27:58,890
are they what do they want who's in

2086
01:28:03,860 --> 01:28:01,470
control of them so yeah yeah I would

2087
01:28:07,670 --> 01:28:03,870
have to agree with you guys on that well

2088
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:07,680
let's see ah me on Facebook asks what

2089
01:28:11,660 --> 01:28:09,330
you guys could you name a current

2090
01:28:14,690 --> 01:28:11,670
paranormal or forty on a researchers

2091
01:28:17,180 --> 01:28:14,700
body of work that you're a fan of and

2092
01:28:19,100 --> 01:28:17,190
why and on the opposite side if there's

2093
01:28:21,350 --> 01:28:19,110
a researcher or body of work that you

2094
01:28:25,070 --> 01:28:21,360
think too many people give credit or

2095
01:28:37,550 --> 01:28:25,080
praised oh damn he's really he really

2096
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:37,560
wants us to be negative but you know let

2097
01:28:45,500 --> 01:28:43,530
me yeah let me well so does it have to

2098
01:28:47,570 --> 01:28:45,510
be you ufology or is it kind of anything

2099
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:47,580
I think you know in terms of forty on I

2100
01:28:54,140 --> 01:28:49,770
guess we will talk about anything yeah

2101
01:28:55,490 --> 01:28:54,150
okay um well I'm gonna go with a bunch

2102
01:28:59,570 --> 01:28:55,500
of names that everyone's gonna be like

2103
01:29:02,840 --> 01:28:59,580
oh he's so boring but Loren Coleman like

2104
01:29:05,480 --> 01:29:02,850
you know go read old Loren Coleman stuff

2105
01:29:10,220 --> 01:29:05,490
it's super cool like his 1970s work is

2106
01:29:12,530 --> 01:29:10,230
really cool and um Jerome Clark is cool

2107
01:29:15,350 --> 01:29:12,540
Jerome and Lauren actually did a book

2108
01:29:16,070 --> 01:29:15,360
together that's pretty rad I think he's

2109
01:29:19,580 --> 01:29:16,080
called the

2110
01:29:21,260 --> 01:29:19,590
if I'd in the in the in the reprint but

2111
01:29:22,790 --> 01:29:21,270
that wasn't the original title and now I

2112
01:29:24,650 --> 01:29:22,800
can't remember what the original title

2113
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:24,660
was but I haven't sanderson I really

2114
01:29:31,490 --> 01:29:29,130
like reading his old stuff John keel is

2115
01:29:34,010 --> 01:29:31,500
pretty cool I have issues with John's

2116
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:34,020
Mothman work right now that is only

2117
01:29:39,350 --> 01:29:37,530
getting more and more present in my mind

2118
01:29:42,050 --> 01:29:39,360
as the days go by but I still really

2119
01:29:44,750 --> 01:29:42,060
like John's work and the way he wrote he

2120
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:44,760
was a good writer and let me think I'm

2121
01:29:48,710 --> 01:29:46,050
trying to think of like someone more

2122
01:29:51,650 --> 01:29:48,720
recent that I that I'm like I've been

2123
01:29:53,990 --> 01:29:51,660
getting into my eye I feel like I plow

2124
01:29:56,180 --> 01:29:54,000
through so many books just trying to get

2125
01:29:58,580 --> 01:29:56,190
research done that if I don't really get

2126
01:30:00,740 --> 01:29:58,590
to really appreciate that kind of stuff

2127
01:30:03,470 --> 01:30:00,750
so I don't know man

2128
01:30:06,050 --> 01:30:03,480
Oh Tobias Wayland lake michigan Mothman

2129
01:30:07,550 --> 01:30:06,060
books really cool I just I mean there's

2130
01:30:09,440 --> 01:30:07,560
a reason I want to work with Tobias and

2131
01:30:14,390 --> 01:30:09,450
that books part of part of it oh and

2132
01:30:16,220 --> 01:30:14,400
then the the Pine Barrens Institute

2133
01:30:19,850 --> 01:30:16,230
guide now I totally blanked on his name

2134
01:30:21,530 --> 01:30:19,860
but he did the the book about about

2135
01:30:25,030 --> 01:30:21,540
historical monsters that I'm also

2136
01:30:28,130 --> 01:30:25,040
failing to remember the name of the book

2137
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:28,140
I'm not helping at all I'm turning I'm

2138
01:30:32,770 --> 01:30:30,090
like a pine barrens I'm trying I can see

2139
01:30:38,420 --> 01:30:32,780
like the logo and everything I'm saying

2140
01:30:39,260 --> 01:30:38,430
I'll get in my head and yeah now Siri

2141
01:30:40,970 --> 01:30:39,270
can come into play

2142
01:30:44,300 --> 01:30:40,980
he already mentioned two names that I

2143
01:30:47,210 --> 01:30:44,310
had written down Coleman and keel I mean

2144
01:30:48,440 --> 01:30:47,220
John keel is a go-to for most of us and

2145
01:30:50,660 --> 01:30:48,450
you know when you talk to 40 on a

2146
01:30:52,850 --> 01:30:50,670
Bigfoot I love well Jeff nning if you're

2147
01:30:54,830 --> 01:30:52,860
talking about like if you get in the dog

2148
01:30:58,580 --> 01:30:54,840
man stuff you got you know Linda Godfrey

2149
01:31:06,670 --> 01:30:58,590
I mean there's there's a lot of people

2150
01:31:12,770 --> 01:31:11,060
no I mean I'm I'm so much on the plane

2151
01:31:14,500 --> 01:31:12,780
of where Seth is I'm kind of going my

2152
01:31:16,940 --> 01:31:14,510
wheels are turning I've talked to a

2153
01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:16,950
billion people and I can't remember like

2154
01:31:21,470 --> 01:31:19,290
six names to give you guys but you know

2155
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:21,480
those are some of the the heavy hitters

2156
01:31:24,770 --> 01:31:23,130
out there I think that are doing

2157
01:31:27,140 --> 01:31:24,780
fantastic work they've been doing it for

2158
01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:27,150
a very long time they're very passionate

2159
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:29,210
about it but

2160
01:31:31,420 --> 01:31:30,530
of course the second way hang up we're

2161
01:31:36,340 --> 01:31:31,430
going to go why didn't I mention

2162
01:31:39,130 --> 01:31:36,350
so-and-so yeah yeah we could mention

2163
01:31:41,110 --> 01:31:39,140
half the people that we talk to for you

2164
01:31:42,550 --> 01:31:41,120
know for the on the trail of UFOs

2165
01:31:44,500 --> 01:31:42,560
because a lot of these people are much

2166
01:31:47,530 --> 01:31:44,510
like us in that they study a lot of

2167
01:31:49,180 --> 01:31:47,540
different the subject matter so you know

2168
01:31:50,860 --> 01:31:49,190
Micah Hanks I mean you know these are

2169
01:31:52,300 --> 01:31:50,870
people that they do the podcast they do

2170
01:31:53,890 --> 01:31:52,310
the books they you know they go to the

2171
01:31:55,930 --> 01:31:53,900
conference's to do all of these things

2172
01:31:59,350 --> 01:31:55,940
yeah well what I think it's interesting

2173
01:32:02,470 --> 01:31:59,360
too is a lot of Shannon the ITF crowd

2174
01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:02,480
they always wondered when you mean Sam

2175
01:32:08,100 --> 01:32:04,730
would me and on the trail view opposed

2176
01:32:09,970 --> 01:32:08,110
is what finally made it happen

2177
01:32:12,430 --> 01:32:09,980
incredible it would have been great of

2178
01:32:14,979 --> 01:32:12,440
course to have it all at the same time

2179
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:14,989
but it was on two separate coasts you

2180
01:32:20,170 --> 01:32:17,570
were not in in LA still at that time so

2181
01:32:22,390 --> 01:32:20,180
but hey we met that was all that

2182
01:32:25,060 --> 01:32:22,400
mattered and I think I was like this is

2183
01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:25,070
gonna implode the internet finally when

2184
01:32:29,080 --> 01:32:27,170
I post pictures with the boys you know

2185
01:32:32,170 --> 01:32:29,090
because that was a long time coming so

2186
01:32:33,550 --> 01:32:32,180
we have to think Seth for that he that

2187
01:32:36,490 --> 01:32:33,560
made that happen you know what of course

2188
01:32:38,380 --> 01:32:36,500
me trying to like pressure you guys like

2189
01:32:40,270 --> 01:32:38,390
you're gonna do this like you're gonna

2190
01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:40,280
get on camera I don't care what you say

2191
01:32:45,130 --> 01:32:43,370
no it was it was a long time coming and

2192
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:45,140
of course it would be UFOs that brought

2193
01:32:49,209 --> 01:32:46,850
us together so I couldn't be happier

2194
01:32:50,860 --> 01:32:49,219
about that but um let's see here oh

2195
01:32:53,770 --> 01:32:50,870
here's our last listener question

2196
01:32:56,290 --> 01:32:53,780
Phillip on Facebook asks if you two

2197
01:32:58,720 --> 01:32:56,300
could ask one question of a government

2198
01:33:01,420 --> 01:32:58,730
insider with alleged access to

2199
01:33:05,110 --> 01:33:01,430
high-level details on the UFO subject

2200
01:33:08,050 --> 01:33:05,120
what would it be what was the Kecksburg

2201
01:33:14,500 --> 01:33:08,060
craft yeah that's a good one man I'm

2202
01:33:16,270 --> 01:33:14,510
gonna keep my comments to myself knows

2203
01:33:19,630 --> 01:33:16,280
because of my brain he's been around me

2204
01:33:25,780 --> 01:33:19,640
long enough it looks like something but

2205
01:33:30,370 --> 01:33:25,790
yeah I'm just gonna so mature you you

2206
01:33:33,310 --> 01:33:30,380
know even you've talked to me enough as

2207
01:33:36,430 --> 01:33:33,320
well no mine would be hands down

2208
01:33:39,790 --> 01:33:36,440
have we ever recovered or do we have now

2209
01:33:41,590 --> 01:33:39,800
the classic gray aliens I wanna like do

2210
01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:41,600
we have the bodies do we have have we

2211
01:33:44,290 --> 01:33:42,650
ever had one a lot

2212
01:33:46,330 --> 01:33:44,300
have we ever recovered anything like

2213
01:33:49,750 --> 01:33:46,340
that classic gray that's a good question

2214
01:33:51,850 --> 01:33:49,760
I like it let's see um I guess going

2215
01:33:55,209 --> 01:33:51,860
back to chapter 8 of the series longer

2216
01:33:57,640 --> 01:33:55,219
way to go yes a lot of big questions in

2217
01:33:59,380 --> 01:33:57,650
this series so do you feel you met the

2218
01:34:01,360 --> 01:33:59,390
goal is you sort of set out to do with

2219
01:34:03,100 --> 01:34:01,370
the project or what do you kind of hope

2220
01:34:05,620 --> 01:34:03,110
the audience will take away from on the

2221
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:05,630
trail of UFOs Seth I guess we'll start

2222
01:34:11,919 --> 01:34:09,290
with you yeah that's cool cuz it's funny

2223
01:34:14,530 --> 01:34:11,929
the behind the scenes what Shannon and I

2224
01:34:16,720 --> 01:34:14,540
talked about a lot and it's in it's in

2225
01:34:18,340 --> 01:34:16,730
for the second trailer but it's not in

2226
01:34:20,740 --> 01:34:18,350
this series is like this idea that

2227
01:34:23,500 --> 01:34:20,750
people you still look to the skies but

2228
01:34:25,689 --> 01:34:23,510
with a sense of wonder and curiosity and

2229
01:34:26,979 --> 01:34:25,699
that's kind of gone and it's mentioned a

2230
01:34:29,050 --> 01:34:26,989
couple times throughout the series but

2231
01:34:30,790 --> 01:34:29,060
it's not really driven home as much as I

2232
01:34:33,790 --> 01:34:30,800
would have liked it have it for it to

2233
01:34:36,010 --> 01:34:33,800
have been and that's because the mission

2234
01:34:37,450 --> 01:34:36,020
statement of series change that was

2235
01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:37,460
originally the mission statement the

2236
01:34:42,100 --> 01:34:39,050
series is like you know people don't

2237
01:34:43,209 --> 01:34:42,110
look to the skies and you know that kind

2238
01:34:44,979 --> 01:34:43,219
of stuff and then it became aware about

2239
01:34:48,010 --> 01:34:44,989
like people don't put the focus on

2240
01:34:49,660 --> 01:34:48,020
people and then so that became the

2241
01:34:52,510 --> 01:34:49,670
mission statement so maybe for season

2242
01:34:55,060 --> 01:34:52,520
two we'll do the other thing but um yeah

2243
01:34:56,560 --> 01:34:55,070
I I think wait what was the wording of

2244
01:34:58,720 --> 01:34:56,570
the specific question you asked me

2245
01:35:00,010 --> 01:34:58,730
before I start rambling because I want

2246
01:35:01,630 --> 01:35:00,020
to make sure I actually answer it how

2247
01:35:03,820 --> 01:35:01,640
did you word that again not any word

2248
01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:03,830
yeah yeah well what what do you hope the

2249
01:35:09,669 --> 01:35:05,690
audience will take away from you yeah

2250
01:35:12,189 --> 01:35:09,679
yeah so so yeah I think I think it's it

2251
01:35:15,700 --> 01:35:12,199
it really is just the fact that the

2252
01:35:18,580 --> 01:35:15,710
subject itself is is worthy of looking

2253
01:35:21,550 --> 01:35:18,590
into regardless of how skeptical or

2254
01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:21,560
whatever you are that the subject itself

2255
01:35:31,780 --> 01:35:26,170
is looking into devoid of the

2256
01:35:33,550 --> 01:35:31,790
celebrities and the maybe the some of

2257
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:33,560
the programming you might already have

2258
01:35:39,850 --> 01:35:37,130
hardwired into you because of movies you

2259
01:35:43,180 --> 01:35:39,860
know of this being a terrifying subject

2260
01:35:45,250 --> 01:35:43,190
to look into it's it's all scary movie

2261
01:35:48,090 --> 01:35:45,260
stuff and and that kind of thing like

2262
01:35:50,200 --> 01:35:48,100
there's there is something very very

2263
01:35:53,080 --> 01:35:50,210
innocent not innocent

2264
01:35:56,350 --> 01:35:53,090
that's the totally wrong word not

2265
01:35:59,050 --> 01:35:56,360
innocent but but there is something

2266
01:36:01,260 --> 01:35:59,060
inspiring about the idea that there's

2267
01:36:04,030 --> 01:36:01,270
there are things flying around our skies

2268
01:36:06,570 --> 01:36:04,040
that we don't know what they are in a

2269
01:36:08,740 --> 01:36:06,580
world where we have the technology we do

2270
01:36:10,030 --> 01:36:08,750
you know and it's this it's kind of the

2271
01:36:13,150 --> 01:36:10,040
same way that I feel about like

2272
01:36:16,240 --> 01:36:13,160
something like Bigfoot you can look into

2273
01:36:19,030 --> 01:36:16,250
this stuff and come at it from your own

2274
01:36:20,950 --> 01:36:19,040
place like your own perspective and and

2275
01:36:24,010 --> 01:36:20,960
don't don't don't feel like you have to

2276
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:24,020
be hardwired by by what television and

2277
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:25,610
and books and all that kind of stuff

2278
01:36:30,520 --> 01:36:28,090
tells you just just come into it and and

2279
01:36:33,190 --> 01:36:30,530
figure things out for yourself and and

2280
01:36:36,310 --> 01:36:33,200
it's subject worth looking into

2281
01:36:38,020 --> 01:36:36,320
and spending time on and if nothing else

2282
01:36:40,330 --> 01:36:38,030
you'll meet some some really cool people

2283
01:36:43,300 --> 01:36:40,340
you also meet a ton of crazies and a lot

2284
01:36:45,670 --> 01:36:43,310
of people that will there's going to be

2285
01:36:50,890 --> 01:36:45,680
times where you feel very de for Tamura

2286
01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:50,900
lysed being involved but but it is worth

2287
01:36:55,240 --> 01:36:52,810
looking into and spending time on and

2288
01:36:56,740 --> 01:36:55,250
yeah bring your own bring your own

2289
01:36:58,990 --> 01:36:56,750
perspective to it and if nothing else

2290
01:37:02,050 --> 01:36:59,000
it's like Greg Bishop kept talking about

2291
01:37:04,090 --> 01:37:02,060
and put the focus on the people like you

2292
01:37:07,450 --> 01:37:04,100
know like my goal became to put the

2293
01:37:09,130 --> 01:37:07,460
focus on everyone like not just not just

2294
01:37:10,810 --> 01:37:09,140
the experiencers and the witnesses but

2295
01:37:12,610 --> 01:37:10,820
that that's probably the most important

2296
01:37:15,580 --> 01:37:12,620
part of it but but also like people like

2297
01:37:17,950 --> 01:37:15,590
Ryan like why why is Ryan into this wide

2298
01:37:23,020 --> 01:37:17,960
it was Ryan spent so much time on it why

2299
01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:23,030
you know himself that question but those

2300
01:37:27,070 --> 01:37:24,770
things get overlooked a lot you know

2301
01:37:29,230 --> 01:37:27,080
like we're someone like Ron were years

2302
01:37:31,270 --> 01:37:29,240
been in this for like 50 years same as

2303
01:37:33,130 --> 01:37:31,280
Dan Gordon like 50 years of his life you

2304
01:37:35,620 --> 01:37:33,140
know maybe longer first and

2305
01:37:38,650 --> 01:37:35,630
like invested in looking looking to the

2306
01:37:42,220 --> 01:37:38,660
skies and why what drives someone to do

2307
01:37:44,620 --> 01:37:42,230
that and what kind of impact will that

2308
01:37:48,610 --> 01:37:44,630
have you know I asked you Ryan like at

2309
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:48,620
the when you die when when is this gonna

2310
01:37:52,030 --> 01:37:50,690
have been worth your time you know like

2311
01:37:55,180 --> 01:37:52,040
essentially that was what I asked you

2312
01:37:56,710 --> 01:37:55,190
and like um there are some philosophical

2313
01:37:58,750 --> 01:37:56,720
questions to get brought up in the last

2314
01:38:00,610 --> 01:37:58,760
episode I think I forget about Lee but

2315
01:38:02,740 --> 01:38:00,620
um but yeah that's the biggest thing

2316
01:38:04,570 --> 01:38:02,750
it's just me and good there's a ton to

2317
01:38:09,200 --> 01:38:04,580
this subject beyond what you're gonna

2318
01:38:11,490 --> 01:38:09,210
find on on on TV and and I'm not running

2319
01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:11,500
television either I'm saying the the

2320
01:38:15,090 --> 01:38:13,690
crowd that comes into this is and and

2321
01:38:16,410 --> 01:38:15,100
the younger people that are gonna come

2322
01:38:18,720 --> 01:38:16,420
into this are gonna come into it because

2323
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:18,730
of whatever's on television or whatever

2324
01:38:21,870 --> 01:38:20,650
is online that they're checking out like

2325
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:21,880
that's what's gonna drive them to the

2326
01:38:27,479 --> 01:38:24,010
subject but look beyond that like

2327
01:38:30,060 --> 01:38:27,489
there's there's a lot more do you have

2328
01:38:30,270 --> 01:38:30,070
anything to add to that I had nothing to

2329
01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:30,280
add

2330
01:38:35,899 --> 01:38:34,210
I mean Seth said it beautifully no I did

2331
01:38:38,340 --> 01:38:35,909
and and I think it just ties back into

2332
01:38:41,010 --> 01:38:38,350
something I'll pair it from earlier is

2333
01:38:43,169 --> 01:38:41,020
that just being able to sit with so many

2334
01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:43,179
different kinds of people with varying

2335
01:38:49,050 --> 01:38:45,810
beliefs in the subject and different

2336
01:38:51,750 --> 01:38:49,060
they've got a different mindset as far

2337
01:38:55,020 --> 01:38:51,760
as the tactics they go about either

2338
01:38:56,910 --> 01:38:55,030
trying to you know contact it or you

2339
01:38:59,760 --> 01:38:56,920
know from an experience or standpoint

2340
01:39:02,340 --> 01:38:59,770
maybe trying to to figure out just what

2341
01:39:03,870 --> 01:39:02,350
did the hell happen to them really and

2342
01:39:05,729 --> 01:39:03,880
again that the perception comes into

2343
01:39:08,310 --> 01:39:05,739
that not to just rehash what I said but

2344
01:39:10,140 --> 01:39:08,320
yeah I think just being able to sit down

2345
01:39:14,100 --> 01:39:10,150
with so many different kinds of people

2346
01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:14,110
is something that I mean it's gonna stay

2347
01:39:18,479 --> 01:39:16,090
with me forever and I think that it

2348
01:39:21,330 --> 01:39:18,489
definitely got me way more into the

2349
01:39:23,189 --> 01:39:21,340
subject of UFOs than I was before yeah

2350
01:39:27,360 --> 01:39:23,199
we got another one I love it

2351
01:39:31,770 --> 01:39:27,370
hooked me in Oh hurry up wow guys this

2352
01:39:32,939 --> 01:39:31,780
has been amazing before we go can you

2353
01:39:34,890 --> 01:39:32,949
maybe tell us a little about what

2354
01:39:37,229 --> 01:39:34,900
projects you got coming next

2355
01:39:40,500 --> 01:39:37,239
Seth what can we expect from small town

2356
01:39:42,240 --> 01:39:40,510
monsters moving forward and yeah give us

2357
01:39:46,169 --> 01:39:42,250
give us everything that's coming next

2358
01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:46,179
man yeah I we well we added a whole new

2359
01:39:55,709 --> 01:39:52,570
production for this year to do kind of

2360
01:39:58,950 --> 01:39:55,719
surprising to us honestly it's so on the

2361
01:40:02,669 --> 01:39:58,960
trail of UFOs coming out March 20th

2362
01:40:05,280 --> 01:40:02,679
Amazon Vimeo on demand coming to DVD and

2363
01:40:07,290 --> 01:40:05,290
blu-ray we are no hack who cares we're

2364
01:40:09,629 --> 01:40:07,300
negotiating to get like a wide release

2365
01:40:11,939 --> 01:40:09,639
for this thing I don't know how those

2366
01:40:14,790 --> 01:40:11,949
negotiations are gonna go I'm not crazy

2367
01:40:17,100 --> 01:40:14,800
about distributors I remain to not be

2368
01:40:20,430 --> 01:40:17,110
crazy about distributors so but we are

2369
01:40:22,290 --> 01:40:20,440
negotiating with a distributor that that

2370
01:40:23,970 --> 01:40:22,300
would get this out to a much larger

2371
01:40:25,439 --> 01:40:23,980
audience so hopefully that goes well and

2372
01:40:27,419 --> 01:40:25,449
we can do that and if that's the case

2373
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:27,429
it'll be sort of everywhere but

2374
01:40:33,870 --> 01:40:30,610
regardless after on the trail of UFOs we

2375
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are beginning production for on the

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trails of Lake Michigan Mothman this

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01:40:43,649 --> 01:40:40,090
will start shooting on March 26th in

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Chicago so I will be in Chicago with

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with again like on the trail of just

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constantly has a shifting cast of crew

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01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:51,429
and this one won't have Shanon

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01:40:56,760 --> 01:40:53,650
unfortunately it's going to be it's

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01:40:59,820 --> 01:40:56,770
gonna be a new well our leads in this

2384
01:41:01,620 --> 01:40:59,830
one are Tobias and Emily Whelan and so

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01:41:04,430 --> 01:41:01,630
we'll be sort of investigating the

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01:41:08,459 --> 01:41:04,440
Mothman like Michigan stuff with them

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01:41:09,780 --> 01:41:08,469
this will be shot by this is what I'm

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01:41:11,250 --> 01:41:09,790
most excited about it so I've been

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01:41:14,370 --> 01:41:11,260
trying to work with the Andrew Peterson

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01:41:16,500 --> 01:41:14,380
for like four years Andrew used to do a

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01:41:19,740 --> 01:41:16,510
website I can't remember I think it was

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01:41:24,479 --> 01:41:19,750
like what weird Midwest or something

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01:41:28,379 --> 01:41:24,489
like that but he said he's a amazing

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01:41:29,610 --> 01:41:28,389
cinematographer and he he's him and I

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01:41:30,870 --> 01:41:29,620
have been talking for years about

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01:41:32,370 --> 01:41:30,880
working together we couldn't get it

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01:41:36,149 --> 01:41:32,380
together this is going to be the project

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where he's finally gonna be DP for

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01:41:40,680 --> 01:41:38,949
something that I'm that I'm directing so

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01:41:42,750 --> 01:41:40,690
this is going to be really cool it's

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01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:42,760
gonna be shot by him it's gonna have a

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01:41:48,810 --> 01:41:46,810
very investigative detective vibe I

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01:41:51,450 --> 01:41:48,820
mostly just sent him a bunch of photos

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01:41:55,189 --> 01:41:51,460
from the movie brick with Joseph

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01:41:57,390 --> 01:41:55,199
gordon-levitt to tell him what I want

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01:42:00,240 --> 01:41:57,400
for this so this is gonna be a special

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01:42:02,419 --> 01:42:00,250
on the trail of two because it's not

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01:42:04,649 --> 01:42:02,429
episodic it's gonna be yeah basically

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01:42:06,629 --> 01:42:04,659
what we're calling it is like a special

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01:42:10,530 --> 01:42:06,639
episode of a TV show so you know how

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01:42:12,780 --> 01:42:10,540
like TV shows like TGIF we all we all

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01:42:14,580 --> 01:42:12,790
know Family Matters they would do this

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01:42:16,229 --> 01:42:14,590
special episodes and maybe like an hour

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01:42:18,120 --> 01:42:16,239
long or whatever that's that well this

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01:42:19,890 --> 01:42:18,130
is gonna be it's gonna be a special

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01:42:21,660 --> 01:42:19,900
episode of on the trail of it's gonna be

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01:42:24,899 --> 01:42:21,670
extended and it's gonna be about one

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01:42:27,149 --> 01:42:24,909
topic so that'll be out hopefully in

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01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:27,159
June late June is the what we're trying

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01:42:29,890 --> 01:42:28,810
to do with that it's gonna be a quick

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01:42:32,530 --> 01:42:29,900
turnaround

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01:42:35,680 --> 01:42:32,540
we are in production for the Mothman

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01:42:37,060 --> 01:42:35,690
legacy and at the end of the year we'll

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01:42:40,600 --> 01:42:37,070
be putting out the mark of the Bell

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01:42:43,030 --> 01:42:40,610
which we are also filming on the trail

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01:42:45,580 --> 01:42:43,040
of Bigfoot season two over the course of

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01:42:46,660 --> 01:42:45,590
this year the big trip coming up for

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01:42:49,470 --> 01:42:46,670
that one it's going to be British

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01:42:52,060 --> 01:42:49,480
Columbia which I'll be doing in August

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01:42:54,580 --> 01:42:52,070
fur from the trail of Bigfoot season two

2431
01:42:58,030 --> 01:42:54,590
and we are also hoping on the trail of

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01:42:59,500 --> 01:42:58,040
UFOs season 1 does really well so we can

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01:43:03,720 --> 01:42:59,510
launch season 2 so if you're interested

2434
01:43:07,149 --> 01:43:03,730
in seeing on the trail of UFOs do more

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01:43:10,060 --> 01:43:07,159
please watch and support on the trail of

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01:43:12,580 --> 01:43:10,070
UFO season 1 I think that's it I think

2437
01:43:13,930 --> 01:43:12,590
we have a book coming out called making

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01:43:16,180 --> 01:43:13,940
monsters that will be out for

2439
01:43:19,000 --> 01:43:16,190
Kickstarter backers there may be a few

2440
01:43:22,240 --> 01:43:19,010
copies available in our webstore but not

2441
01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:22,250
many that's awesome Shan how about you

2442
01:43:26,919 --> 01:43:24,890
what do you got coming up well I've got

2443
01:43:29,020 --> 01:43:26,929
the second book beyond the fray pair

2444
01:43:32,380 --> 01:43:29,030
amalgamation which will be coming out

2445
01:43:34,090 --> 01:43:32,390
hopefully in the next few weeks we're

2446
01:43:35,649 --> 01:43:34,100
gonna look for an early release on that

2447
01:43:38,169 --> 01:43:35,659
and of course beyond the fray Bigfoot is

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01:43:41,140 --> 01:43:38,179
out and I'm still doing the podcast it

2449
01:43:42,130 --> 01:43:41,150
comes out every Thursday 7 p.m. PST into

2450
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:42,140
the fray radio.com

2451
01:43:47,229 --> 01:43:44,090
and of course any and all podcasters

2452
01:43:50,410 --> 01:43:47,239
YouTube I Heart Radio Spotify the usual

2453
01:43:52,240 --> 01:43:50,420
offenders for catching a podcast right

2454
01:43:55,419 --> 01:43:52,250
and then I also saw you put out a call

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01:43:57,580 --> 01:43:55,429
for UFO stories is that right yes sir

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01:43:59,229 --> 01:43:57,590
yes sir absolutely

2457
01:44:02,080 --> 01:43:59,239
and you know not to steal any thunder

2458
01:44:05,939 --> 01:44:02,090
from your show of course Ryan because

2459
01:44:08,790 --> 01:44:05,949
that seems like a little bit of a

2460
01:44:11,410 --> 01:44:08,800
budding of heads there but yeah I am

2461
01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:11,420
looking for of course some that are

2462
01:44:16,030 --> 01:44:14,090
willing to come on the show and some

2463
01:44:17,709 --> 01:44:16,040
that maybe or not they don't ever want

2464
01:44:19,540 --> 01:44:17,719
to come out of hug cast in their whole

2465
01:44:21,130 --> 01:44:19,550
life maybe they just want to write it

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01:44:24,160 --> 01:44:21,140
out to me or have a private conversation

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01:44:26,169 --> 01:44:24,170
and then I translate that into the

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01:44:28,570 --> 01:44:26,179
written word so yeah thank you so much

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01:44:31,209 --> 01:44:28,580
yeah of course I always say that the

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01:44:33,010 --> 01:44:31,219
more UFO stories out there the more we

2471
01:44:35,919 --> 01:44:33,020
can normalize the topic and get more

2472
01:44:38,050 --> 01:44:35,929
people interested and involved and and

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01:44:40,240 --> 01:44:38,060
show people this is a topic worth

2474
01:44:42,490 --> 01:44:40,250
pursuing which i think is the epitome of

2475
01:44:44,350 --> 01:44:42,500
what on the trail of UFOs has done

2476
01:44:48,040 --> 01:44:44,360
for me personally and for a lot more

2477
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:48,050
people out there I hope so um yes I got

2478
01:44:52,240 --> 01:44:49,850
to thank both of you guys for coming on

2479
01:44:54,220 --> 01:44:52,250
today this has been absolutely amazing

2480
01:44:57,790 --> 01:44:54,230
not just talking to you but being a part

2481
01:44:59,500 --> 01:44:57,800
of this I was so honored to just give my

2482
01:45:00,970 --> 01:44:59,510
thoughts and opinions on all the

2483
01:45:03,790 --> 01:45:00,980
research I've done throughout the years

2484
01:45:06,100 --> 01:45:03,800
to an audience who will hopefully take

2485
01:45:08,500 --> 01:45:06,110
something away from that and yeah I

2486
01:45:11,380 --> 01:45:08,510
can't wait to see the series in its

2487
01:45:13,480 --> 01:45:11,390
entirety and I know my audience will too

2488
01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:13,490
so thank you to the both of you for

2489
01:45:15,970 --> 01:45:15,050
coming on somewhere in the skies yeah

2490
01:45:16,720 --> 01:45:15,980
thanks for having us

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01:45:36,310 --> 01:45:16,730
Thanks

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01:45:37,410 --> 01:45:36,320
[Music]

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01:45:58,820 --> 01:45:37,420
[Applause]

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01:46:01,290 --> 01:45:58,830
[Music]

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01:46:03,060 --> 01:46:01,300
somewhere in the skies is produced by

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Third Kind productions in association

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01:46:06,750 --> 01:46:04,990
with the entertainment one podcast